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> Blue smoke on Decel, Think I understand now Geoff
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post Jun 22 2003, 10:52 AM
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Got the bad news yesterday. Geogg Bleyseng followed me to lunch from the AX and said "Blue smoke when you slow down, bad rings or valve guides".

I calmly say "Thanks I was wondered where all the oil was going". Meanwhile I'm thinkin "Aw $hit, more $$$".

He says "Do a compression check then do another one after you squirt some oil in the cylinder. If it improves its bad rings if it doesn't it valve guides".

I proceed to ask several questions that show how little I really know but, I got to thinkin about it last night at a wedding reception (damn this 914 thing is an obsession) and I think I understand it now.

2 ways for oil to get into the cylinder, past the rings from the crankcase and past the valve guides from the valve covers (from crankcase via pushrod tubes). On decel there is a high vacuum in the cylinder (and intake) therefore oil is sucked into the cylinder from one or both worn parts and burned leaving blue smoke from the exhaust and extra oil usage.

Compression should be lower than desired because of leakage past the worm parts. Squirting oil in the cylinders will help seal the worn rings & cylinders and result in improved compression. But, if the valve guides are worn it will not help compression.

Low oil pressure at idle results from more oil escaping at the bearings and therefor less oil reaching the sending unit at the oil cooler.

Guess I'll do the compression checks Wednesday. More to follow.

And I repeat "Ah $hit more $$$".

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post Jun 23 2003, 09:08 PM
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Geoff,

By the way, I know you would kick my butt, for now.

Takes grease to make a good burger. Shakes are the best, hand dipped hard ice cream. Great place even a picture of a big old 59 Caddy.

As far as my engine goes it was rebuit in 93. It's got less than 20K miles on it so it is relatively recent. It's coming out this winter anyway. If its the valve guides I'll probably get the heads done then. I really would like to do another engine in 2004 if this one will last me until then. I had hoped to build something like a 2270 with a more aggressive cam, freer flowing heads, lightened flywheel yadda, yadda, yadda. Gonna have to treat the wife real good. I'll run some test and hope for the best.

Kevin,

I'm gonna start testin this out Wednesday afternoon. Compression, then again with some oil, and vacuum. Hope to have some figures Thursday morning.

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DNHunt   Blue smoke on Decel   Jun 22 2003, 10:52 AM
Lawrence914-6   That's a nice explanation. You should save th...   Jun 22 2003, 10:55 AM
DNHunt   Which part Rusty? The thoughts (whats going on in ...   Jun 22 2003, 11:09 AM
Lawrence914-6   The explanation of where oil goes, and why. Nice ...   Jun 22 2003, 11:13 AM
Bleyseng   Yup that was good Dave, you compressed our 1/2 hou...   Jun 22 2003, 12:13 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Guides or rings...either way the heads come off......   Jun 22 2003, 12:53 PM
DNHunt   Its gonna take some figurin. Besides the blue smok...   Jun 22 2003, 01:42 PM
Brad Roberts   My wifes car smokes on decel and gets 31 MPG. I fi...   Jun 22 2003, 02:09 PM
DNHunt   :idea: Maybe this explains my difficulty trying to...   Jun 22 2003, 02:22 PM
Brad Roberts   Dave, You have stepped thru the time portal in 91...   Jun 22 2003, 02:26 PM
tryan   sorry to hear about the blue smoke. is there a e...   Jun 22 2003, 02:29 PM
DNHunt   There isn't one in its present configuration. ...   Jun 22 2003, 02:49 PM
garyh   My 2.0 'blue-smokes' on de-accel. Especia...   Jun 22 2003, 02:55 PM
Bleyseng   Another test is to use a vacuum gauge to see the c...   Jun 22 2003, 02:59 PM
DNHunt   Keep it up you guys are making me feel better all ...   Jun 22 2003, 04:17 PM
Bleyseng   Hmmm, that doesn't mean anything to me. On a v...   Jun 22 2003, 05:50 PM
DNHunt   Geoff That equals13.28 inches of hg which I think...   Jun 22 2003, 08:41 PM
rhodyguy   oil is cheap. carry a couple of quarts. save the e...   Jun 23 2003, 07:18 AM
RustyWa   It's taking me a while to figure this all out....   Jun 23 2003, 01:18 PM
Dave_Darling   Smoke on overrun (throttle closed, coasting at hig...   Jun 23 2003, 02:31 PM
rhodyguy   after seeing the car on the dyno there is no doubt...   Jun 23 2003, 05:15 PM
Bleyseng   I would have had him other than I had no effin ide...   Jun 23 2003, 06:08 PM
DNHunt   Geoff, By the way, I know you would kick my butt,...   Jun 23 2003, 09:08 PM


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