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> Brakes, Stopping with M, A, or S
johnmhudson111
post Jul 28 2005, 08:11 AM
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Coupe of questions about brakes. First of all what is the difference between "M", "A", and "S" capliers? Is it the mounting bolt distance? Early vs.Late? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

Did the 914/6 come with "M" capliers? If not what did they come with? Can these brakes be upgraded to something like the "big reds?

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post Jul 31 2005, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Jul 28 2005, 06:40 PM)
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh Hello, Clay...

S-Calipers arrived a tad before 74 Uncle Clay (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) There's no such thing as a stainless sleeve for an S-Caliper. Stainless pistons are the trick. The corrosion in the bore "generally" isn't the problem it's the corrosion on the piston where it sits in the bore and rests against the seal (picture included)

A-Calipers don't look anything like an S-Caliper (it's twu, it's twu). Same pad surface area but not as deep as an S-Pad. This is such a common myth. They look like they're from different manufacturers. They look more like the BMW Calipers people are using than they do an S-Caliper.

M-Calipers were never (ever) used on 914's (post 73 or whatever), they were stock on 914-6's and 911T's though. And the bore is about 5mm larger than a 914-6 (me believes... I can confirm if desired)

Other than that "You're SPOT ON Clay" (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)

John, what engine do you have? If it's a -4, I wouldn't go with anything larger than an M-Caliper. I have my reasons which I'll go into detail if you really want to know. Many, many BTDT experiences.

Eric,
What are your reasons you prefer the M calipers and stock rear 914 brakes on a 4 cylinder?
I plan on doing alot of TT/DE with my car once it has completed.
I am interested in your reasoning as my next modification for the car will be suspension.
I plan on going with a 911 front suspension and your 5 bolt control arms on the rear.
The motor will be basically a stock motor with the possiblilty of going to a 2056 in the future.
Our longest sessions run about 30 mins. I like to have a nice hard pedal for as long as possible.
Master cylinder of 19mm or larger?
Braided stainless or stock rubber brake lines?

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johnmhudson111   Brakes   Jul 28 2005, 08:11 AM
ClayPerrine   M caliper. Cast iron 2 piston caliper. Uses 3" b...   Jul 28 2005, 08:27 AM
johnmhudson111     Jul 28 2005, 12:20 PM
Eric_Shea   Ahhhhhhhhhhhh Hello, Clay... S-Calipers arrived a...   Jul 28 2005, 08:40 PM
johnmhudson111     Jul 31 2005, 09:34 AM
Series9   Here's too much brake on a 914. They work GRE...   Jul 31 2005, 11:49 AM
Oled   Mike, Good to hear from you. I started off with ...   Jul 31 2005, 03:42 PM
Oled   Total piston area on various calipers M, S, A Fr...   Jul 31 2005, 04:02 PM
Eric_Shea   Joe, That's a "HUGE" brake line. Do you use ...   Jul 31 2005, 04:39 PM
Eric_Shea   And I know what you guys are thinking, after looki...   Jul 31 2005, 04:52 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)     Aug 1 2005, 11:52 AM
Porsche Rescue   Had my coffee. Here's what I see so far. Front...   Aug 1 2005, 12:27 PM
rdauenhauer   Is the machining of the R. stock -4 piston bores o...   Aug 1 2005, 12:42 PM
Eric_Shea   We discussed (Mike Mueller and others in a previou...   Aug 1 2005, 01:32 PM
Porsche Rescue   Here is a front caliper on my conversion car. Anyo...   Aug 1 2005, 01:33 PM
Porsche Rescue   and the right side   Aug 1 2005, 01:34 PM
Porsche Rescue   How about stock 4 caliper with one nipple? As you ...   Aug 1 2005, 01:39 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   Eric, Your quote: "I'll have a 200-220hp -6 in...   Aug 1 2005, 03:42 PM
Eric_Shea   Jim, those are M-Calipers. Early w/o the spacer. ...   Aug 1 2005, 08:02 PM
Porsche Rescue   Eric, they must be 914-4 calipers. I recall that e...   Aug 1 2005, 08:23 PM
Eric_Shea   Early 4's had one bleeder and Ribe head throug...   Aug 1 2005, 08:32 PM
Porsche Rescue   Well, what do I have?   Aug 1 2005, 08:37 PM
Eric_Shea   Early -4 from looking at the bolts and bleeder and...   Aug 1 2005, 08:49 PM
Porsche Rescue   That's the car. Doubt it would have anything t...   Aug 1 2005, 09:10 PM
Porsche Rescue   Answered my own question. Looked at PET and learne...   Aug 1 2005, 09:25 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   Eric, What is a "V-caliper" you refer to for the r...   Aug 1 2005, 10:14 PM
ArtechnikA   ...   Aug 2 2005, 08:05 AM
Eric_Shea   Danke Rich! http://www.9...   Aug 2 2005, 09:53 AM
Root_Werks   This is a good thread full of info. I like the re...   Aug 2 2005, 09:59 AM
Porsche Rescue   Eric, if late '72 (transition) were "one nippl...   Aug 2 2005, 10:09 AM
Eric_Shea  
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Eric_Shea   Jim, That's what I was thinking too. There...   Aug 2 2005, 01:49 PM
ArtechnikA   ...   Aug 2 2005, 01:56 PM
Eric_Shea   So the 914 is a "medium" motor car... we knew that...   Aug 2 2005, 02:28 PM
Eddie914   What are the dimensions of Carrera rotors? Are th...   Aug 2 2005, 05:25 PM
johnmhudson111     Aug 2 2005, 07:11 PM
ArtechnikA   it is the application of the service brake that ke...   Aug 2 2005, 07:52 PM
Eric_Shea  
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johnmhudson111     Aug 4 2005, 05:13 PM
ein 6er   here is a link to the mechanism.   Aug 4 2005, 06:36 PM
Eric_Shea   Those look "fairly" easy to mfg. Any of you machi...   Aug 7 2005, 02:45 PM


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