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> fuel pump surging, why??
Tab914
post Aug 1 2005, 06:52 PM
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Another one for you guys...........

Here is the problem I am trying to fix. Whenever the needle in the temp guage gets to about 1/4 the fuel pump starts surging. This causes the idle to start to go up and down in rythm with the fuel pump. Also when under load the car stutters and shudders and kinda wants to choke.

Before the car gets up to that temp. it runs nice and smooth, strong on acceleration and no poping or backfiring on decel or anything. Just sounds great and runs fine. Idle is where it should be and fuel pump does not surge.

Here is what has been done. -Valve adjustement
-Dwell adjustement
-Timing adjustement
-Tested MPC as per proper ohms.
Parts I have changed- coil, plugs, ignition points, trigger points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.

Questions:- what could make the pump surge like that?
-does it make a difference how the MPC wire goes into it's conector?
-How do I properly check the head temp sensor.
-Could the intake temp. sensor be the cause.

I am at a lost. Feel like I am going in circles. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

Has anyone had this kind of problem??
Desperate for advice. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

Thanks, Dominic.

forgot to add. car is a 1974 2.0 with stock fuel injection.
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post Aug 1 2005, 07:04 PM
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Do you mean the MPS? Manifold Pressure Sensor? If so, you have D-jetronic FI, which is an important distinction.

How do you know the fuel pump is surging? That would be an unusual failure mode. Does the fuel pressure go up and down? (Do you have a gauge?)

I would guess that you have a vacuum leak somewhere. Another possibility is that your mixture is going somewhat lean when the engine is at warm idle. A few clicks clockwise on the knob on the ECU may help with that, at least somewhat.

You test the Head Temp Sensor by unplugging it from the harness (the plastic box connector stays on the harness), putting one probe of your ohmmeter on the metal connector on the HTS wire, and the other probe on the cylinder head. Should be 2K-3K when cold, <100 ohms when the engine is at operating temp.

The MPS connector can go in either way; it doesn't matter which way around it is. The two outer pins connect to one coil in the sensor, and the two inner pins connect to the other coil. They don't care which way around they are.

Finally, for all of your D-jetronic informational needs, see:
http://members.rennlist.com/pbanders .
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Tab914   fuel pump surging   Aug 1 2005, 06:52 PM
mihai914   If by surging, you mean the pump makes a different...   Aug 1 2005, 07:02 PM
Dave_Darling   Do you mean the MPS? Manifold Pressure Sensor? I...   Aug 1 2005, 07:04 PM
Tab914   Thanks guys! Ya I meant MPS. h...   Aug 1 2005, 07:33 PM
bd1308   dude, dont play around. mine did EXACTLY the same ...   Aug 1 2005, 07:55 PM
Dave_Darling   The air will get purged without any extra effort o...   Aug 1 2005, 07:57 PM
mihai914   To me it sounds like a fuel delivery problem. The ...   Aug 1 2005, 08:06 PM
Tab914   Thanks guys. The fuel pump is in front with the m...   Aug 1 2005, 08:29 PM
Tab914   another pic ot that thingamajig   Aug 1 2005, 08:30 PM
bd1308   never seen that before. seems like some kind of AA...   Aug 1 2005, 08:42 PM
mihai914   That would be an oil pressure sender, the purpose ...   Aug 1 2005, 08:59 PM
bd1308   woah....i thought it would be cooler looking. like...   Aug 1 2005, 09:03 PM
Tab914   Ah! Yes that makes sense. I have the extra gav...   Aug 1 2005, 09:05 PM
Dr Evil     Aug 1 2005, 10:19 PM
Dr Evil   Also, check to see if the TPS is in the circuit be...   Aug 1 2005, 10:22 PM
Tab914   Thanks Dr. Evil. I will perform a fuel pressure t...   Aug 1 2005, 10:36 PM
Tab914   Well from the paper work the fuel pump is the righ...   Aug 1 2005, 10:46 PM
mihai914   Dominic, did the PO tell you why he replaced the f...   Aug 2 2005, 06:17 AM
Tab914   Hey Mihai! I don't think that the last ow...   Aug 2 2005, 01:29 PM
Tab914   Well...., didn't have time to get a fuel guage...   Aug 2 2005, 08:29 PM
Dr Evil   Wow! I am totally suspect of this engine now. ...   Aug 2 2005, 08:39 PM
Tab914   Yeah! Learning alot about my patience............   Aug 2 2005, 11:04 PM
Tab914   Ok. Well, as I am getting ready for what has now b...   Aug 4 2005, 08:22 PM
mihai914   Dominic, you've got a major problem right ther...   Aug 4 2005, 08:36 PM
mihai914   Here is the article and drawing I was referring to...   Aug 4 2005, 09:21 PM
Tab914   Thanks Mihai. Like I said I only noticed now that...   Aug 4 2005, 09:32 PM
mihai914     Aug 4 2005, 09:46 PM
Tab914   Cool. I'll let you know how it goes.   Aug 4 2005, 09:59 PM
Dr Evil   I actually had a problem with a fuel filter that ...   Aug 5 2005, 05:07 AM
Tab914   Thanks Dr. Evil. Kinda feels like I'm getting...   Aug 5 2005, 09:32 AM
Dave_Darling   Just to clarify, there is a filter with a larger i...   Aug 5 2005, 09:55 AM
bd1308   1970-1974 8mm/8mm Fuel filter 1975-1976 8mm/10mm F...   Aug 5 2005, 10:00 AM
Tab914   Well, today I gor set up to do the bulk of the wor...   Aug 6 2005, 07:48 PM
Dr Evil   You can get a used MPS from the guys on the left c...   Aug 6 2005, 07:55 PM
Tab914   Anyone with a spare (working) MPS for a 1974 2.0lt...   Aug 6 2005, 08:40 PM
mihai914     Aug 6 2005, 09:34 PM
Tab914   High fuel pressure will mask very well other probl...   Aug 6 2005, 10:02 PM


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