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> pedal cluster roll pin, fixed or not?
mightyohm
post Aug 26 2005, 12:39 AM
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Does anyone know for certain if the roll pins in the bronze bushing kits are any good or not? I read some time ago that they were having quality problems.

Maybe more helpful would be if someone has a pic of the Porsche roll pin vs. the Weltmeister pin. Any obvious differences?


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post Aug 28 2005, 10:23 PM
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The roll pin that I had fail (Weltmeister kit from approx. 15 years ago) was a roll pin. (A single thickness of spring steel shaped into a coil).

The roll pin was almost one complete circle, not several wraps as shown in the photos posted in this thread. I would tend to believe that the vintage of the kits with problems was probably way back when my kit was put together (15 years ago), and the problem pins have been addressed.

I have no pictures of my failed pin as it failed some 15 years ago. The pin broke in 2 spots (at the stress concentration on either side of the shaft). I suspect that the bolt I used began to fail due to a sizing issue because it was not an interference fit.

The coiled pins are what the correct part should look like (as shown in the pictures in this thread). These high strength spring steel components are designed to slightly compress when installed (which is why the ends are slightly tapered). This profides for a very tight fit in the hole through the shaft and the clutch arm.

The holes in the shaft and in the clutch arm should be exactly the same size for the coiled pin to perform as intended (not allow any movement between the shaft and the clutch arm).


As far as I know this issue was addressed long ago.

If not, the coiled pins are available at better hardware stores, McMaster Carr, Porsche, or any number of other places.

Luckily, when one works well, you need not worry about it for years.



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jkeyzer   pedal cluster roll pin   Aug 26 2005, 12:39 AM
Travis Neff   I heard the same about the welty roll pins breakin...   Aug 26 2005, 12:51 AM
mikey   It's generally recommended that you throw away...   Aug 26 2005, 01:03 AM
jkeyzer   The Welt pin I have is the rolled variety, it has ...   Aug 26 2005, 01:14 AM
mikey   Hmmmm. The Weltmeister pin in my kit wasn't sp...   Aug 26 2005, 01:29 AM
ArtechnikA   i bought 3 factory pins recently, added them to a ...   Aug 26 2005, 04:32 AM
jkeyzer   Agreed Rich. I will take a pic of the Welt pin wh...   Aug 26 2005, 10:38 AM
bondo   <...   Aug 26 2005, 11:13 AM
bd1308   can the roll pin be substituted for some solid met...   Aug 26 2005, 11:21 AM
bondo     Aug 26 2005, 11:27 AM
Elliot Cannon   I installed the Weltmeister bushing kit a few year...   Aug 26 2005, 11:34 AM
ArtechnikA   <...   Aug 26 2005, 11:37 AM
Engman   Not sure which size but here is a link to the Spir...   Aug 26 2005, 11:42 AM
ArtechnikA     Aug 26 2005, 11:45 AM
lapuwali   I just used a bolt and a nut. The clutch pedal wa...   Aug 26 2005, 11:46 AM
bd1308     Aug 26 2005, 11:53 AM
JOHNMAN   About 15 years ago, when I rebuilt my pedal cluste...   Aug 26 2005, 11:58 AM
jr91472   I used the roll pin the came in my bushing kit fro...   Aug 26 2005, 12:03 PM
ArtechnikA     Aug 26 2005, 12:03 PM
ArtechnikA   <...   Aug 26 2005, 12:05 PM
bd1308   yes, it's all my fault in phrasing.... http://www.914worl...   Aug 27 2005, 08:56 AM
cooltimes   <...   Aug 27 2005, 08:57 AM
Eric_Shea   Who's talking about a bronze pin? http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Aug 27 2005, 09:34 AM
cooltimes   Touche ... logical.... read like a page from a boo...   Aug 27 2005, 10:48 AM
ArtechnikA   <...   Aug 28 2005, 12:14 AM
motorphotog   The Weltmeister pin WILL FAIL, mine did after 3,00...   Aug 28 2005, 02:13 AM
ArtechnikA     Aug 28 2005, 12:33 PM
JOHNMAN   The roll pin that I had fail (Weltmeister kit from...   Aug 28 2005, 10:23 PM
motorphotog   Here is the photo of the Weltmeister pin that fail...   Aug 29 2005, 07:20 PM
ArtechnikA   i think what we've established in this thread ...   Aug 30 2005, 04:30 AM
jkeyzer   The only thing we're missing is whether the We...   Aug 30 2005, 11:37 AM
ArtechnikA   i agree, but i donno how to test that, zackly. to...   Aug 30 2005, 12:23 PM
ein 6er   side by side   Aug 30 2005, 03:47 PM
cooltimes   As cheap as these roll pins are at your local hard...   Aug 30 2005, 04:57 PM
jkeyzer   A couple minutes? It took me a couple hours just ...   Aug 30 2005, 05:18 PM
cooltimes   Couple of minutes for replacing the pin itself is ...   Aug 30 2005, 06:30 PM
jkeyzer   Ok, here they are, side by side. Weltmeister pin ...   Sep 15 2005, 11:25 PM


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