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> T fitting instead of prop. valve, what is the rational?
DanT
post Dec 1 2005, 08:18 PM
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Ok, I know this has probably been discussed in many threads before. But, what is the reasoning for replacement of the Prop. valve with the "T" fitting for the rear brakes. Does the prop. valve cause more line pressure to the fronts or the rears when it is operating properly? I want to understand the engineering aspects of this modification.
I will be running "M" calipers with mythical billet hubs in the front and stock 914-4s in the rear.
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post Dec 2 2005, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE (Dead Air @ Dec 2 2005, 05:15 AM)
QUOTE (McMark @ Dec 1 2005, 09:42 PM)
"It's not if there's going to be problem, it's what's going to happen when that problem occurs."


Our parents wisdom!
Mom used to say "hope for the best but plan for the worst"

As Dave implies, it's the shift in weight (to the front) that creates the lock-up and that's just a matter of physics. Is that likely to happen in many "street" situations? Not all rear lock-ups will result in uncontrollable over steer, correct?

I think that in panic stops on the street the worst case scenario can happen very quickly: non-progressive brake actuation, slamming on the brakes, which doesn't allow for weight transfer and front tire loading to acheive maximum traction during the stop. This means the fronts lock before being loading to their limits via weight transfer and even worse the rears may lock. This is why ABS is so effective on street cars but a little less of an advantage on race cars.

Every good driving instructor I've had always emphasized not standing the car on it's nose with hard braking. The reasoning is that even on a fairly balanced car you don't want to unload the rear tires anymore than necessary in case you need to do some steering. At Willow Springs I can be reeling the "other Porsche" down from 130 and those brakes will stand the car on it's nose if I ask them to. At those speeds you really don't want to "upset" the chasis anymore than needed.

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Dan (Almaden Valley)   T fitting instead of prop. valve   Dec 1 2005, 08:18 PM
McMark   The prop valve limits the amount of hydraulic pres...   Dec 1 2005, 08:33 PM
rick 918-S   Here's my spin on the deal. I'm running la...   Dec 1 2005, 08:33 PM
Headrage   Jeez!!! http://www.914world.com/bbs2...   Dec 1 2005, 10:59 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   I am sure the reasoning behind the T is that putti...   Dec 1 2005, 10:59 PM
rick 918-S     Dec 1 2005, 11:21 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   ...   Dec 1 2005, 11:26 PM
Brando   Also keep in mind that with much better gripping t...   Dec 1 2005, 11:35 PM
McMark   You mean, this graph Dave? http://...   Dec 1 2005, 11:38 PM
McMark     Dec 1 2005, 11:42 PM
trekkor   Good thread. http://www.914worl...   Dec 2 2005, 12:15 AM
J P Stein     Dec 2 2005, 07:15 AM
andys     Dec 2 2005, 10:52 AM
Dave_Darling   <...   Dec 2 2005, 10:55 AM
J P Stein     Dec 2 2005, 11:22 AM
andys   ...   Dec 2 2005, 11:39 AM
kdfoust   <...   Dec 2 2005, 12:19 PM
J P Stein     Dec 2 2005, 01:39 PM
nick mironov   This is where I got my T-fitting ($8): http:...   Dec 2 2005, 02:04 PM
horizontally-opposed   Eric... http://www.914world.co...   Dec 2 2005, 02:06 PM
andys     Dec 2 2005, 03:14 PM
Eric_Shea   First Post... http://www.914world....   Dec 2 2005, 05:20 PM
J P Stein   Brakes......a decent buy: http://forums.pelicanpar...   Dec 3 2005, 10:46 AM
horizontally-opposed   ...   Dec 3 2005, 01:19 PM
SirAndy     Dec 3 2005, 02:12 PM
nine14cats   Hi Dan, I'll give you what Doris and I were r...   Dec 3 2005, 03:20 PM
J P Stein   Basicaly, what Bill, Andys & I are talking about i...   Dec 3 2005, 04:46 PM


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