Home  |  Forums  |  914 Info  |  Blogs
 
914World.com - The fastest growing online 914 community!
 
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way.
Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

> How much power vs. displacement, 1.7-2.0 4s
Gearhead1432
post Jan 3 2006, 08:34 PM
Post #1


Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 129
Joined: 21-December 05
From: Altus, OK
Member No.: 5,304
Region Association: None



How much power have people been able to get out of a stock displacment motor? Torqure and Hp?

I can recall reading about people getting 120hp from 1.7L type one motors years ago. That is on pump fuel.

With the technology available today I would think that volumetric efficiency could be pushed further than before while maintaining reliability on the street.

So is 130-160hp out of a 2.0 totaly (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif)

I know Porsche did it years ago with a couple diferant 2.0L motors like the 901/911 or 587 (street motors not track). However, they were radicaly diferant compared to the simple type 4. ....

-Rob
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Replies
lapuwali
post Jan 4 2006, 06:41 PM
Post #2


Not another one!
****

Group: Benefactors
Posts: 4,526
Joined: 1-March 04
From: San Mateo, CA
Member No.: 1,743



The key here is specific power: hp/liter.

In a two-valve engine, getting more than 70hp/liter is getting into race engine territory. The cam required to do better than this usually produces poor low-speed drivability. Four-valve engines do better, usually 80hp/liter before it gets too cammy for street use. Variable valve timing changes the picture completely, but we'll ignore that, for now.

A 70hp/liter 2.0 would indeed make 140hp. There are several street engines in this neighborhood. The Euro-tuned Alfa twincam makes 140-150hp in 2.0 street form. Even the smog-choked, low compression, very mild cammed US version did 115hp (58hp/liter). The '72-'73 911E made 165hp from a 2.4 Six, or 68hp/liter. The 911S of that year did 190hp (77hp/liter), but it's generally considered to be pretty wild for day to day street use.

The stock 2.0 Type 4 only does 48hp/liter, so there should be a lot of room for improvement here. The number Jake just threw out 155 from 2.27L is 68hp/liter, so you should (theoretically) be able to get 135hp or thereabouts from 2.0L. I suspect that since building a 155hp 2270 costs about the same as building a 135hp 2.0, that there's little point in doing the latter, unless you're operating under racing rules that limit you to 2.0 liters.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
Gearhead1432   How much power vs. displacement   Jan 3 2006, 08:34 PM
Dave_Darling   You could probably get about 300 HP out of a 2.0 d...   Jan 3 2006, 09:26 PM
alpha434     Jan 3 2006, 09:53 PM
Jake Raby   Man, it never ceases to amaze me how hard you guys...   Jan 4 2006, 01:08 AM
Brett W   To hell with pump gas, drop the compression to 6.5...   Jan 4 2006, 07:53 AM
dmenche914   Sure wish us folk in the San Fransisco bay area co...   Jan 4 2006, 05:01 PM
Jake Raby   we have 93 octane at every pump, sometimes 94 and ...   Jan 4 2006, 05:22 PM
Gearhead1432   ...   Jan 4 2006, 06:12 PM
Jake Raby   The difference is the RPM range needed to make the...   Jan 4 2006, 07:06 PM
Gearhead1432   Hmm, maybe I'll have to re-evaluate this. I th...   Jan 4 2006, 07:50 PM
Jake Raby   It's a 4 cam with twin ignition and a full hem...   Jan 4 2006, 08:06 PM
Gearhead1432   That's a great looking speedster. ...   Jan 4 2006, 09:18 PM
Jake Raby   Nope, the peak is dictated by the overall engine c...   Jan 4 2006, 09:26 PM
Brew   Ok, I get ya now. Thanks!   Jan 4 2006, 09:31 PM
lapuwali   Jake, hp (sae) = torque (ft/lbs) x rpm / 5252. Th...   Jan 4 2006, 09:36 PM
Jake Raby   Exactly.... Thats really apparent on engines tha...   Jan 4 2006, 09:46 PM
Gearhead1432   Great info Jake. I hadn't realy looked at it t...   Jan 4 2006, 09:54 PM
grantsfo   The only cost effective way to get reliable HP is ...   Jan 4 2006, 10:04 PM
Jake Raby   Narrow minds all think the same.   Jan 4 2006, 10:09 PM
grantsfo   ...   Jan 4 2006, 10:15 PM
lapuwali   ...   Jan 4 2006, 10:21 PM
Jake Raby   <...   Jan 4 2006, 10:35 PM
Bleyseng   Isn't a 2270 kit in that ballpark? Me, I am ...   Jan 4 2006, 11:01 PM
TeamAxisRacing   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Jan 4 2006, 11:14 PM
Gearhead1432   The stock Djet 1.7 makes 80hp DIN... ...   Jan 4 2006, 11:23 PM
Bleyseng   Yes, thats what we are putting together, a stock "...   Jan 4 2006, 11:25 PM


Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 8th June 2024 - 03:02 PM