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> Lotta fun with Megasquirt, Autotune, tunes while you drive
DNHunt
post Jan 14 2006, 08:24 AM
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I downloaded a newer version of Megasquirt with autotune. It uses a wideband O2 meter to adjust the air fuel mixture to a target while you drive. The targets vary according to RPM and manifold vacuum. I have a high of 14 at cruise and a low of 12.6 at WOT. Megasquit keeps adjusting until the amount of fuel gives the desired voltage from the O2 meter. It speeds up tuning a ton. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)

It's cool to see it changing without any key strokes on the computer. There are a couple things to consider (there always are). Tuning is only as good as the O2 meter and the air fuel mixture is just a number pulled out of the air. It will not tune the ignition side of the ECU. So, when I get everything sorted out and the engine well broken in it still goes on a dyno.

Dave

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post Jan 16 2006, 03:39 PM
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I learned a hell of a lot from this post regarding comparing 914 dizzys to crank fired. Check out this thread, link at the bottom.


QUOTE (Mueller @ Mar 17 2004, 04:53 PM)
I was wondering what the crankfire has over the distributor ignition besides 0 moving parts that can wear out.

Hi Mike! Wow, what a coincidence. Guess what I just did? I just came in from driving my 914 for the first time with crank-fired ignition! I can see it in the papers now "Monkey sucessfully fabricates hall-effect crank possition sensor for 914"

Seriously. Remember a few years ago when I was trying to fab a crank possition sensor with magnets mounted in the rim of the fan pulley? Well the failure of that project has been bugging me for years so tonight I went out to the garage and dug out all the pieces and tried again. It wasn't the physical design that was the problem it was the wiring. This time I shielded the signal leads all the way to the ECU and bridged them to +12v with 1k ohm resistors so that when pulled to ground they would make a nice crisp square wave. It worked! Engine fired right up, I set the timing baseline with the laptop and went for a drive. It was sweet.

If you recall I was previously running a Crane optical sensor in the dizzy. With the optical trigger there was much less spark scatter than with points, but there was still a noticeable amount. I think it's probably because even with a tight dizzy there is gear lash between the dizzy shaft and the crank, not to mention dizzy shaft wobble. I bet at idle speed that dizzy shaft is rattling back and forth across that gear lash. Running off the crank-trigger there is much less spark scatter as viewed with the timing light. The engine definitely idles more smoothly. I don't expect that there is really any more power - maybe a little, or like has been said - the potential now to extract a hair more, but nothing earth-shattering. It definitely seems smoother though, and I like that. It's still firing through the distributor for now (for spark distribution only - not timing or crank possition). I've got the coils for waste-spark but need another compatible ignition amplifier. As soon as I round one up I'll try to go distributorless and see what happens.

-Ben M. (now with new improved crank-fire action)

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DNHunt   Lotta fun with Megasquirt   Jan 14 2006, 08:24 AM
nsyr   Sounds great. i have ms2 v3 that i will be using i...   Jan 14 2006, 09:06 AM
Tom Perso   Hey Dave, Nice to hear that - I upgraded the firm...   Jan 14 2006, 10:01 AM
DNHunt   Andrew Play with it on the stim first to see how ...   Jan 14 2006, 10:25 AM
bd1308   so what if you dont have any data for the high RPM...   Jan 14 2006, 10:33 AM
DNHunt   Britt Autotune will tune it BUT, I quess I'm ...   Jan 14 2006, 10:56 AM
Hydra   I've just received my MSI v3, i'm right in...   Jan 14 2006, 11:44 AM
lapuwali   I'd use something with less teeth than 36-1. ...   Jan 14 2006, 01:51 PM
DNHunt   The MS 1 8-bit processor is full to the gills. The...   Jan 14 2006, 07:09 PM
airsix     Jan 14 2006, 08:02 PM
fiid   I'm still using MSTweak for my tuning. From w...   Jan 14 2006, 08:30 PM
yarin     Jan 14 2006, 11:36 PM
lapuwali   Actually, you probably don't want to use MSII ...   Jan 15 2006, 12:59 AM
Tom Perso   I'm still up in the air with my ignition trigg...   Jan 15 2006, 06:49 AM
DNHunt   The system I'm using is really working well, b...   Jan 15 2006, 07:41 AM
stock93   Dave, Thanks for the post. I always like to hear a...   Jan 15 2006, 09:44 AM
crash914   I am still waiting for my MS2 chip....I guess I co...   Jan 15 2006, 03:56 PM
Rocky   Dave, heard and saw you buzzin Hwy 16 yesterday an...   Jan 15 2006, 08:04 PM
Gary   Some pretty cool stuff going on over in the megasq...   Jan 15 2006, 09:53 PM
DNHunt   Hey Rocky good to hear from you. I've been ter...   Jan 16 2006, 08:32 AM
yarin   Wow.. those guys are certainly cranking out some a...   Jan 16 2006, 08:42 AM
Hydra   this topic is getting more interesting by the minu...   Jan 16 2006, 09:00 AM
DNHunt   Yarin I wish I could help you but, I'm runnin...   Jan 16 2006, 09:09 AM
yarin   Thanks for the response Dave. I posted my question...   Jan 16 2006, 03:09 PM
yarin   I learned a hell of a lot from this post regarding...   Jan 16 2006, 03:39 PM
Rocky   Yea Dave, we do need to get together. I work way ...   Jan 16 2006, 09:42 PM


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