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> IR vs. Plenum?, Bonafide dyno tests anyone?
jhadler
post Jan 17 2006, 05:10 PM
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Hey all,

I realise that this may have been hammered at before, but I was currious if, on a stock 2.0L, there was any distinct advantage of going to IR throttles over the stock plenum (or some other single throttle plenum).

I know that the stock cam will limit the amount of air the engine can ingest, and that IR throttles will definitely NOT be the limiting factor on the top end, but with tall manifolds, and IR throttles, can a stock 2.0L run better than it could with the stock intake plenum. Assuming that both are running a programable fuel injection system that has been optimized.

Thought? Experiences? Test data? Dyno results? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

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post Jan 18 2006, 05:44 PM
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Staged injectors actually came from turbo cars that have to use huge injectors. Try trying to get 1200cc injectors to idle on a 1.6 or 1.8 litre engine. If you can get it to idle at all you won't have a clean idle. But with staged injectors you can use the smaller injectors at mild throttle openings and engine loads, then bring in the big guns to supply fuel for massive levels of boost and HP.

You will see an improvement on a "low revving stock" engine with high mount butterfly throttle bodies. We saw that on some smaller restrictor engines we built to run in FSAE. You don't gain anything by turning 15-17K when you restrictor goes supersonic at 10k, so you look for anything you can to get on the low end.
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jhadler   IR vs. Plenum?   Jan 17 2006, 05:10 PM
lapuwali   Pure speculation and second guessing: Several peo...   Jan 17 2006, 05:20 PM
jhadler   Cool. So, distilling this question a little more...   Jan 17 2006, 05:45 PM
DNHunt   Josh You say stock internals but, you didn't ...   Jan 17 2006, 06:46 PM
jhadler   Yup, stock internals, but everything else (short o...   Jan 17 2006, 07:04 PM
Bleyseng   Definately the cam would hold you back as its setu...   Jan 17 2006, 07:05 PM
jhadler   ...   Jan 17 2006, 07:10 PM
Bleyseng   atleast better valve springs? valve stem keepers?   Jan 17 2006, 07:27 PM
Jake Raby   I did this test in October. On a 2270 "Daily Drive...   Jan 17 2006, 08:27 PM
Brett W   Josh For what you are needing, IR will be much be...   Jan 17 2006, 08:47 PM
lapuwali   However, the original point was that the cam could...   Jan 17 2006, 08:47 PM
Brett W   Yes, IR will have it over the stock plenum. Measu...   Jan 17 2006, 08:57 PM
Bleyseng   I thought that only mattered at wide open throttle...   Jan 17 2006, 09:19 PM
Dead Air   <...   Jan 17 2006, 09:23 PM
jhadler   ...   Jan 17 2006, 10:04 PM
Jake Raby     Jan 17 2006, 11:04 PM
Racer Chris   I agree with Brett that throttle response will be ...   Jan 18 2006, 06:09 AM
Brett W   Build a high butterfly injection system and you wi...   Jan 18 2006, 08:41 AM
Bleyseng   So what happened to Muellers IR setup that he was ...   Jan 18 2006, 09:33 AM
Jake Raby   I'm also with Brett, based on my findings.   Jan 18 2006, 10:02 AM
jhadler   Okay, Based on the input from some rather experi...   Jan 18 2006, 11:15 AM
Cloudbuster   <...   Jan 18 2006, 11:40 AM
lapuwali   ...   Jan 18 2006, 01:45 PM
Mueller     Jan 18 2006, 02:01 PM
ClayPerrine     Jan 18 2006, 05:49 PM
jhadler   So with tall manifolds, and injectors mounted just...   Jan 18 2006, 06:25 PM
Jake Raby   I have moved injectors to 3 locations on a coupe o...   Jan 18 2006, 06:31 PM


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