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| Rand |
Jan 28 2006, 04:50 PM
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Somebody school me on formula 1 tires... why the tall sidewalls? In street tires, the more extreme, the lower the profile. Shorter sidewalls, less flex, more cornering traction... Seems like in anything except F1, the tires are very low profile.
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| lapuwali |
Jan 28 2006, 08:53 PM
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Not another one! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
The tires have tall sidewalls because the rules dictate maximum and minimum diamter of the tire, and the diameter of the rim. When the rules were laid down in the 1970s, they made sense based on tire technology of the day. Now, they're an anachronism, but kept as they are because: small rims mean small brakes, thus restricting outright speed (theoretically), which was a great idea until carbon-carbon brakes made them work so well even with the small diameters; tall sidewalls mean more flex, which keeps speeds down due to more limited cornering forces, except the tire makers manage to get more stiffness, and now more than 80% of the suspension travel in an F1 car is in the tire sidewalls (direct quote from an F1 designer); the FIA is a bunch of bloody-minded idiots.
There's been talk recently of changing the tire rules, but only to reduce rim diameter even more, or do some other stupid thing to try to make the cars slower. The rules basically aren't there to allow fully optimized cars. They're there to throw up big barriers the designers have to overcome. The rules now restrict virtually everything on the cars, so you don't see innovative ideas anymore, because they don't fit the rules. Next year, with the one tire manufacturer again, the rules makers can dictate things like tire compounds to control speeds, and will do so. Grooves will apparently disappear soon, and tire changes are back for next year. As for power, the 3.0 V10s of 2005 were all making roughly 900hp. The 2.4 V8s for '06 and beyond appear to be in the 600hp range, though it's expected that will rise swiftly. For comparison, the 3.0 Cosworth DFV V8 of 1968 made 400hp, and was the most powerful engine in F1 at that time. Within a couple of years, the Cosworths were making so much power people were contemplating 4wd or six-wheeled cars (with four drive wheels in back, Williams built a prototype of this) to try to get acceptable traction out of the tires of the period. More downforce and better tires fixed that, and by the height of the turbo era in 1984, the engines were making as much as 1200hp in qualifying, for a few laps. They've never been that powerful since. |
Rand OT: Formula 1 tire profile Jan 28 2006, 04:50 PM
dinomium trying to keep the racing competitve with grooves ... Jan 28 2006, 04:52 PM
r_towle lower sidewall, less flex, therefore less grip.
L... Jan 28 2006, 04:57 PM
dlo914 hmm...good question. after some thinking i remembe... Jan 28 2006, 05:00 PM
Aaron Cox Jan 28 2006, 05:03 PM
Rand I almost mentioned "except drag cars" in my origin... Jan 28 2006, 05:09 PM
messix http://www.914world.... Jan 28 2006, 05:28 PM
alpha434 Isn't the tire restriction standard for all fo... Jan 28 2006, 07:22 PM
dinomium Fomula1.com
It the offical FIA site so of course i... Jan 28 2006, 07:28 PM
J P Stein James:
These discussions are no fun when someone t... Jan 28 2006, 09:36 PM
alpha434 ... Jan 28 2006, 10:04 PM
Elliot Cannon The only limits I would like to see is horse power... Jan 28 2006, 11:09 PM
Jeroen F1 tires have a fairly stiff sidewall (unlike drag... Jan 28 2006, 11:18 PM
Rand Makes me wonder what F1 cars could do if all restr... Jan 28 2006, 11:24 PM
lapuwali I wouldn't remove ALL restrictions.
My F1 rul... Jan 29 2006, 12:01 AM
Rand I shouldn't have said ALL restrictions. I was ... Jan 29 2006, 12:24 AM
dinomium I think that if you remove some of the rediculous ... Jan 29 2006, 12:44 AM
alpha434 Jan 29 2006, 01:20 AM![]() ![]() |
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