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| yarin |
Jan 28 2006, 01:36 AM
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'14-X'in FOOL ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 988 Joined: 13-May 03 From: Guttenberg, NJ Member No.: 693 Region Association: North East States |
Tonight I have completed building the main board for my MS II V.3.0 system. Thanks to those that have helped out. Once i'm all finished I will definitely post a complete "How To MegaSquirt a 914" website with pics and step by step. So far i'm still at the desk level. I've got 2.0 injection parts on the way.
I'll be using the following: stock injectors GM air temp sensor stock fuel pump summit racing manifold referenced fuel pressure regulator stock injectors (i think 2.0s are on the way) stock plenum / runners stock CHT MS Relay Board Innovative WB02 High Current ignition driver Stock dizzy with pertronix (hall sensor) Stock Bosch Blue Coil PWM Low impedence injector driver (no resistors) Stock Cold start Valve (plan so far) Stock throttle body with some junkyard TPS Here is a pic of my board, took me a few hours a night every night this week. I took my time, double checked everything. So far so good! I don't expect to have the system in the car for at least another month. I'm converting from carbs so I want to install steel fuel lines and clean some stuff up. I'll be sure to post progress in the forums. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) Attached image(s)
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| lapuwali |
Feb 1 2006, 12:26 PM
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Not another one! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
IMHO, Dave's experience with solder cup DB connectors is exactly why you should NOT use them in a car. Use DB connectors with crimp-on pins. They're more expensive to buy up front (esp. as you have to buy the right tool to crimp the pins), but they're much more reliable in a high vibration environment.
The other thing I intend to do, and I'd suggest for others, is to mount the board in an oversize box, and run the DB connectors to some other connector that connects to the box side. My actual plan is to put the stock metal box with endplates, but the connectors not tied to them (metal box for EMF protection), and place THAT in a waterproof plastic case. A short cable will connect the DB connectors to waterproof connectors that pass through the plastic case walls. My setup will go in the engine bay. I'll also rubber mount the metal case inside the plastic case to reduce as much as possible the vibration passed to the board itself. Mark Henry has had good luck mounting his SDS inside the stock ECU case, and that's also an excellent option. I may still end up doing that myself, since I have a couple of useless 1.7 ECUs. The MS relay board and the MS itself should fit inside the stock ECU case quite nicely. 2.0 injectors will work, just run them at stock D-Jet pressure: 29psi (2 bar). Most injectors now are run at 3 bar (43.5 psi), which is too high for the D-Jet injectors. The main difficultly with 2.0 injectors is they're HUGE for the stock engine, presenting some problems with idle pulsewidths, which are usually down around 2msec. The MS resolution of 0.1msec means you have a minimum step of 5% at such small pulsewidths. Use a manifold pressure referenced fuel pressure regulator (see posts by airsix on how to convert a stock FPR) to help significantly here. You can also sell the 2.0 injectors and find a set of 1.7 injectors instead, which are still plenty large enough for even a modified 2270, yet small enough that idle pulsewidths are a good bit longer, giving you more headroom to get the idle tuned right. Since D-Jet is all analog, it has no "resolution" on pulsewidths, so it can run the injectors right down to their minimum pulsewidths (about 1.7ms) with infinite control. D-Jet injectors are mostly used because they fit the stock intake setup well. There aren't many hose-barb injectors to choose from. Most need a fuel rail. 1.8 Subaru injectors work (and are smaller than 1.7 D-Jet injectors), as do some L-Jet injectors, and both of those injectors will work at 3 bar, which will give better atomization than 2 bar D-Jet injectors. I intend to use 1.7 D-Jet injectors, because I have several sets on hand, including a NOS set still in original boxes. |
yarin Megasquirt Progress Jan 28 2006, 01:36 AM
yarin my converted workshop... temporary of course Jan 28 2006, 01:39 AM
yarin shot of my soldering skills at the beginning. Jan 28 2006, 01:40 AM
dinomium Yes, the injetors are the pretty green ones! B... Jan 28 2006, 01:41 AM
Tom Perso Looks familar... http://www.... Jan 28 2006, 06:51 AM
Mueller I highly recommend testing the injectors "before" ... Jan 28 2006, 10:08 AM
yarin I was planning on sending my injectors out to RC E... Jan 28 2006, 10:27 AM
crash914 Yarin,
You will like the version 3 system...
I ... Jan 29 2006, 10:12 AM
Tom Perso ... Jan 29 2006, 11:30 AM
yarin I ordered my stuff from http://www.diyautotune.com... Jan 29 2006, 02:31 PM
crash914 msII drop in chip is available...you can buy on li... Jan 30 2006, 06:35 AM
alpha434 Bump.
Megasquirt? Jan 30 2006, 11:21 PM
Mueller ... Jan 31 2006, 12:23 AM
alpha434 ok. So... Outside of price. What kicks it's as... Jan 31 2006, 12:28 AM
Mueller ... Jan 31 2006, 12:58 AM
alpha434 Ahhhhhh. I see. So nothing. Hmmmm....
Replace my ... Jan 31 2006, 01:04 AM
Mueller ... Jan 31 2006, 01:13 AM
alpha434 Alright. The next objective for my top secret proj... Jan 31 2006, 01:19 AM
agrump Yarin,
I have a similar setup to what you are pla... Jan 31 2006, 07:36 AM
yarin Hey Dean,
Someone on MSEFI forums used a 1.3K pul... Jan 31 2006, 09:28 PM
DNHunt One piece of advice. Plan your cable from the ECU ... Feb 1 2006, 08:21 AM
yarin Dave,
I will be sure to strain relief both sides ... Feb 1 2006, 08:33 AM
DNHunt As a guideline I have a 180 degree turn a the rela... Feb 1 2006, 08:42 AM
bd1308 BNC connectors!!!?!!?!?... Feb 1 2006, 08:45 AM
yarin I bought the 12' cable from DIYautotune.
The... Feb 1 2006, 08:48 AM
agrump Yarin,
I am using a pertronix. I did not use the... Feb 1 2006, 08:55 AM
DNHunt Also on the injectors and fuel pressure. I believe... Feb 1 2006, 08:57 AM
bd1308 If i do this on my 1.7, is there someone that coul... Feb 1 2006, 08:59 AM
sgomes LEMO http://www.914world.co... Feb 1 2006, 09:02 AM
yarin Check these out, FCI D-sub Mixed Power DW series
... Feb 1 2006, 09:09 AM
DNHunt Britt
There is plenty of support online. Meuller... Feb 1 2006, 09:13 AM
yarin Feb 1 2006, 10:56 AM
yarin Feb 1 2006, 11:02 AM
yarin James,
Thanks for you feedback. I will run the in... Feb 1 2006, 02:51 PM
jhadler The stock D-jet regulator is pretty good. You say ... Feb 1 2006, 03:06 PM
yarin Josh, Yes rising rate. Or in our case when the ma... Feb 1 2006, 03:22 PM
lapuwali You can modify the stock D-Jet FPR to reference it... Feb 1 2006, 03:25 PM
lapuwali Feb 1 2006, 03:41 PM
DNHunt I understand the rising rate FPR but, I haven... Feb 1 2006, 04:48 PM
lapuwali Feb 1 2006, 05:13 PM
agrump Feb 1 2006, 06:56 PM
yarin Do a search for closed loop idle on MSEFI.com foru... Feb 1 2006, 07:01 PM
lapuwali Case in point: this guy is devoting a third of his... Feb 1 2006, 07:09 PM
Jeff Nelson I think there might be some confusion as to what a... Feb 1 2006, 07:15 PM
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