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| yarin |
Jan 28 2006, 01:36 AM
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'14-X'in FOOL ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 988 Joined: 13-May 03 From: Guttenberg, NJ Member No.: 693 Region Association: North East States |
Tonight I have completed building the main board for my MS II V.3.0 system. Thanks to those that have helped out. Once i'm all finished I will definitely post a complete "How To MegaSquirt a 914" website with pics and step by step. So far i'm still at the desk level. I've got 2.0 injection parts on the way.
I'll be using the following: stock injectors GM air temp sensor stock fuel pump summit racing manifold referenced fuel pressure regulator stock injectors (i think 2.0s are on the way) stock plenum / runners stock CHT MS Relay Board Innovative WB02 High Current ignition driver Stock dizzy with pertronix (hall sensor) Stock Bosch Blue Coil PWM Low impedence injector driver (no resistors) Stock Cold start Valve (plan so far) Stock throttle body with some junkyard TPS Here is a pic of my board, took me a few hours a night every night this week. I took my time, double checked everything. So far so good! I don't expect to have the system in the car for at least another month. I'm converting from carbs so I want to install steel fuel lines and clean some stuff up. I'll be sure to post progress in the forums. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) Attached image(s)
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| lapuwali |
Feb 1 2006, 03:25 PM
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Not another one! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
You can modify the stock D-Jet FPR to reference it to manifold pressure yourself. Search here for posts by airsix, he covered it in detail. It's pretty simple, basically just drilling a hole and fitting a small tube with epoxy will do. If you don't have a stock FPR, you can pick them up on Ebay pretty cheap. I may even have a couple lying around in the parts bin. I'd send you one for shipping if you're game to try the conversion yourself.
On EMF, I was planning on running the ground connections from the DB connector to a bolt through the outer case, then one big ground wire from that bolt to a case bolt. Another connection from the inner (metal) case to the bolt will ground the case, and allow me to run a lot fewer wires through the outer case connector. If I put the whole mess in the stock ECU case (which is sounding more and more attractive every day), I'll not have an inner and outer box, just the metal ECU case, but I'll still do the ground bolt trick. I'll also make a plate to cover the stock connector hole and run my waterproof bulkhead connectors there. One for EFI signals, one for serial signals (with a cap for when the serial cable isn't connected). Josh, you want a manifold referenced FPR to keep the fuel pressure differential across the injector the same. If the rail pressure is fixed, then the pressure differential across the injector goes UP as manifold pressure goes DOWN. Manifold pressure is low at low loads, and high at high loads, so the pressure differential across the injector is high at low loads and low at high loads, which is the opposite of what you want. You have to compensate for this by making the difference in pulsewidths wider, but you can hit physical limits at either end. The injector cannot open and close in less than ~1.7ms, so if you need t make it shorter than that to compensate for the high pressure differential at idle, you can't get the idle to be lean enough. Injectors also can't be open longer than 80% of the time without overheating, so you may not be able to make the pulsewidths long enough at high loads to overcome the lack of pressure drop across the injector with 1.0atm in the manifold. With a manifold referenced FPR, however, the differential across the injector is fixed regardless of manifold pressure, so you end up with longer required pulsewidths at the low end, and shorter required pulsewidths at the high end, for the same fuel flow through the injector. Thus, you can run smaller injectors than you might be able to otherwise, and thus get more tuning flexibility at the extremes. |
yarin Megasquirt Progress Jan 28 2006, 01:36 AM
yarin my converted workshop... temporary of course Jan 28 2006, 01:39 AM
yarin shot of my soldering skills at the beginning. Jan 28 2006, 01:40 AM
dinomium Yes, the injetors are the pretty green ones! B... Jan 28 2006, 01:41 AM
Tom Perso Looks familar... http://www.... Jan 28 2006, 06:51 AM
Mueller I highly recommend testing the injectors "before" ... Jan 28 2006, 10:08 AM
yarin I was planning on sending my injectors out to RC E... Jan 28 2006, 10:27 AM
crash914 Yarin,
You will like the version 3 system...
I ... Jan 29 2006, 10:12 AM
Tom Perso ... Jan 29 2006, 11:30 AM
yarin I ordered my stuff from http://www.diyautotune.com... Jan 29 2006, 02:31 PM
crash914 msII drop in chip is available...you can buy on li... Jan 30 2006, 06:35 AM
alpha434 Bump.
Megasquirt? Jan 30 2006, 11:21 PM
Mueller ... Jan 31 2006, 12:23 AM
alpha434 ok. So... Outside of price. What kicks it's as... Jan 31 2006, 12:28 AM
Mueller ... Jan 31 2006, 12:58 AM
alpha434 Ahhhhhh. I see. So nothing. Hmmmm....
Replace my ... Jan 31 2006, 01:04 AM
Mueller ... Jan 31 2006, 01:13 AM
alpha434 Alright. The next objective for my top secret proj... Jan 31 2006, 01:19 AM
agrump Yarin,
I have a similar setup to what you are pla... Jan 31 2006, 07:36 AM
yarin Hey Dean,
Someone on MSEFI forums used a 1.3K pul... Jan 31 2006, 09:28 PM
DNHunt One piece of advice. Plan your cable from the ECU ... Feb 1 2006, 08:21 AM
yarin Dave,
I will be sure to strain relief both sides ... Feb 1 2006, 08:33 AM
DNHunt As a guideline I have a 180 degree turn a the rela... Feb 1 2006, 08:42 AM
bd1308 BNC connectors!!!?!!?!?... Feb 1 2006, 08:45 AM
yarin I bought the 12' cable from DIYautotune.
The... Feb 1 2006, 08:48 AM
agrump Yarin,
I am using a pertronix. I did not use the... Feb 1 2006, 08:55 AM
DNHunt Also on the injectors and fuel pressure. I believe... Feb 1 2006, 08:57 AM
bd1308 If i do this on my 1.7, is there someone that coul... Feb 1 2006, 08:59 AM
sgomes LEMO http://www.914world.co... Feb 1 2006, 09:02 AM
yarin Check these out, FCI D-sub Mixed Power DW series
... Feb 1 2006, 09:09 AM
DNHunt Britt
There is plenty of support online. Meuller... Feb 1 2006, 09:13 AM
yarin Feb 1 2006, 10:56 AM
yarin Feb 1 2006, 11:02 AM
lapuwali IMHO, Dave's experience with solder cup DB con... Feb 1 2006, 12:26 PM
yarin James,
Thanks for you feedback. I will run the in... Feb 1 2006, 02:51 PM
jhadler The stock D-jet regulator is pretty good. You say ... Feb 1 2006, 03:06 PM
yarin Josh, Yes rising rate. Or in our case when the ma... Feb 1 2006, 03:22 PM
lapuwali Feb 1 2006, 03:41 PM
DNHunt I understand the rising rate FPR but, I haven... Feb 1 2006, 04:48 PM
lapuwali Feb 1 2006, 05:13 PM
agrump Feb 1 2006, 06:56 PM
yarin Do a search for closed loop idle on MSEFI.com foru... Feb 1 2006, 07:01 PM
lapuwali Case in point: this guy is devoting a third of his... Feb 1 2006, 07:09 PM
Jeff Nelson I think there might be some confusion as to what a... Feb 1 2006, 07:15 PM
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