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> Workin through the 2500 RPM shudder on my 2.0..., Next steps???? Running out of ideas!
jk76.914
post Aug 10 2006, 11:16 PM
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I'm slowly working through the 2500-3000 RPM shudder that I get in my 2.0 at part throttle cruise... It's a '76. The engine has 850 miles since the rebuild. Rings seated very quickly- no oil required from its 250 mile oil change to its 850 mile oil change.

Also, during the rebuild, ALL ground connections were carefully polished, and assembled with star washers on both sides of harness lugs. Also, injectors were rebuilt and calibrated by Marren Fuel Injectors in Connecticut. Cap, rotor, plugs, wires, coil all new. It's got a PerTronix pointless ignition.

The car runs better than new at all RPMs and load, except for this shudder. Sometimes its less noticable than others....

WHAT HAVE I MISSED HERE!?!

So far, I've gone through these steps-

1. checked and adjusted fuel pressure. Was running 34 psi. Reset to 29 psi.
2. checked and adjusted timing at 3500 rpm.
3. adjusted TPS at closed throttle using Pelican Parts procedure.
4. Tried warming up, then disconnecting TPS and test driving. TPS seems to be doing its thing... Ordered a new TPS anyway, since mine is old, and they may be hard to find in the future when I really need one, and I can use the old one for a spare. Not in yet.
5. connections through 270 ohm resistor and into TS2 are new and sound.
6. measured TS2 at 80 ohms hot, 2200 ohms cold. Engine had already cooled a bit before I could get my meter on it, so the 80 ohms may be a bit high, but looks fine. TS2 was new 850 miles ago.
7. disconnected vac retard and test drove. Aside from high idle, it still ran the same, ie still had the shutter. I thought that since rebuilding the dizzy the breaker plate could be moving TOO easily, and there was maybe an oscillation set up because the vac port in the TB was partly exposed to vacuum at 2500 rpm third gear cruise. Anyway, still ran the same.
8. New Bosch FI breaker points.
9. Since the '76 didn't originally have the 270 ohm resistor, I tried shorting around it. It ran very poorly across the range, especially cold or warm.

Also, I bought an inductance meter to check out my MPS. Mine was a rebuilt from AA that I got in about 1989. I have no idea which one it is or was, so I'm looking forward to finding out and adjusting if necessary to '74-'76 2.0 specs. (meter hasn't arrived yet)

So now I'm thinking that I may have screwed up the centrifugal advance. I built one good dizzy from two. I noted that the springs from the one were wound from two different sized wires, so when I assembled my composite one, I put two same size (smaller gauge wire) springs in.

So, I MAY be getting too much advance in the range where I'm having the problem. Looks like the '76 2.0 got a lot less advance until 3000 RPM than some of the other D-Jet dizzys. My original was '76, and my donar dizzy was a '74 2.0.... The easiest and most precise way to know what's going on is to take the distributor somewhere and get it plotted.

Can anyone recommend a place where I can send my dizzy to have the advance checked and calibrated? Preferable in the Boston area, but I'm glad to ship it if the turn-around is reasonable.

THANKS!

PS- ANYTHING I MISSED HERE??? ANY MORE SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME!!

Jim
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jk76.914   Workin through the 2500 RPM shudder on my 2.0...   Aug 10 2006, 11:16 PM
Bleyseng   Ok, 4. TPS-Did you disconnect it and run the car...   Aug 11 2006, 11:37 AM
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Bleyseng   Thats why the "test" for TPS is to unplu...   Aug 11 2006, 01:07 PM
jk76.914   An update. I think progress is being made... To ...   Aug 15 2006, 09:06 AM
Bleyseng   Ok, WOT is good on the MPS for a 2.0L stock. What...   Aug 15 2006, 09:43 AM
jk76.914   Here's the plot. Mine is Red, Paul Anders...   Aug 15 2006, 04:43 PM
jk76.914   Here's the newest news- this is starting to g...   Aug 19 2006, 01:52 PM
alpha434   My 1.8l shudders too at about the same range (3000...   Aug 19 2006, 02:58 PM
Bleyseng   At sea level you should be at 0hg 1.45, 4hg 1.19 ...   Aug 19 2006, 08:09 PM
jk76.914   OK, so the Anders numbers of:

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