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> Tough cold-starts w/chokeless Webers..., any secrets from you northerners?
PinetreePorsche
post Feb 20 2007, 08:57 AM
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My 2.0 w/ Webers will fire, catch for an instant,and die. Each re-start, the instant stretches out, till, on the 4th try, it runs for maybe one second, and the 6th or 7th it goes for 2-3 sec, and maybe the 10th or 12th, it will stay running with lots of artful foot flutter on the gas. Less artful and it dies--until it has had about 15-20 sec of uninterrupted running with the foot flutter. Even then it needs just a slightly high rev, like 1800 (hate to do that when it's still cold), then, after another half min, I can let the foot off the pedal and it'll stay running. Then, maybe another 15 sec, I can lift my clutch foot and not have the extra load of the heavy oil kill it again (maybe keeping the revs at 1000 with my foot). Finally, after 2 min total I can get underway, if I over-rev it pulling away in 1st. Still, it will back-fart a bit if I gas it too much after a shift to too low a rev. By 5 min, as the heat starts to come out on the glass, it gets more normal. SO: you far northerners with carbs --what can I do with choke-less Webers to make this a kinder, gentler process? (Yes, if there's salt on the roads --last 3 weeks here-- I leave it at home. But the warm and rain are coming for 2-3 days, so it will get out again, and I'd love to do right by it.)
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QUOTE(PinetreePorsche @ Feb 20 2007, 09:57 AM) *

My 2.0 w/ Webers will fire, catch for an instant,and die. Each re-start, the instant stretches out, till, on the 4th try, it runs for maybe one second, and the 6th or 7th it goes for 2-3 sec, and maybe the 10th or 12th, it will stay running with lots of artful foot flutter on the gas. Less artful and it dies--until it has had about 15-20 sec of uninterrupted running with the foot flutter. Even then it needs just a slightly high rev, like 1800 (hate to do that when it's still cold), then, after another half min, I can let the foot off the pedal and it'll stay running. Then, maybe another 15 sec, I can lift my clutch foot and not have the extra load of the heavy oil kill it again (maybe keeping the revs at 1000 with my foot). Finally, after 2 min total I can get underway, if I over-rev it pulling away in 1st. Still, it will back-fart a bit if I gas it too much after a shift to too low a rev. By 5 min, as the heat starts to come out on the glass, it gets more normal. SO: you far northerners with carbs --what can I do with choke-less Webers to make this a kinder, gentler process? (Yes, if there's salt on the roads --last 3 weeks here-- I leave it at home. But the warm and rain are coming for 2-3 days, so it will get out again, and I'd love to do right by it.)


Clean the idle jets.
Sound like dirty jets.

When you start it, let it sit still for 2 minutes minimum at idle.
It will cough a bit, but it should sit at idle if properly tuned, and all jets are clean, the right size.

Check in this order.
points/condensor (important that the points are perfect this time of year.)
Valves adjusted.
new plugs.
All jets are clean, all jets are the right size (look at plugs when you replace them, they should be the brown of a perfectly coked marshmellow)

Use premium gas, and dont let it sit so long that the tank has really old gas in it.
Add gas antifreeze.

In the real cold, they will be a bit hard to start, but you are experiencing a car that is out of tune, and dirty jets...all rolled into one.

It gets pretty cold up here, and I just tune the car twice a year, and when I tune a car, I replace all the consumables...plugs, point, rotor, condensor...
Sometimes I replace wires
yearly I replace the distributor cap...it gets corroded on the inside.

So, twice yearly tune up. new parts only...they are cheap
Once yearly wires and cap replacement

I think a tune up costs like 30 bucks total...twice a year...big deal.
I assume you have no chokes on the carbs...you dont need them if you have some patience (2min) and wait each time you start it cold.

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PinetreePorsche   Tough cold-starts w/chokeless Webers...   Feb 20 2007, 08:57 AM
type47   maybe a block heater? you know, the type you can u...   Feb 20 2007, 09:36 AM
jd74914   maybe a block heater? you know, the type you can ...   Feb 20 2007, 10:03 AM
r_towle   My 2.0 w/ Webers will fire, catch for an instant,...   Feb 20 2007, 09:57 AM
mudfoot76   Clean the idle jets. Sound like dirty jets. When...   Feb 20 2007, 12:34 PM
adamfl   I had a similar issue with my 1.7 w/ 2x40idfs when...   Feb 20 2007, 10:05 AM
Spoke   I have dual IDF40's on my 1.7L and it is a bit...   Feb 20 2007, 11:13 AM
pin31   I've got the same problem starting when cold (...   Feb 20 2007, 11:48 AM
ClayPerrine   I only have one thing to say..... Carburetors =...   Feb 20 2007, 12:52 PM
r_towle   I only have one thing to say..... Carburetors ...   Feb 20 2007, 12:57 PM
ClayPerrine   My personal opinion on carbs.. They suck.. both l...   Feb 20 2007, 01:04 PM
jd74914   My personal opinion on carbs.. They suck.. both ...   Feb 20 2007, 01:51 PM
degreeoff   Yeah mine was a bitch too. I got good at the artfu...   Feb 20 2007, 01:57 PM
KaptKaos   Don't forget that there are FI parts that are ...   Feb 20 2007, 02:04 PM
BarberDave   :trophy: ...   Feb 20 2007, 03:23 PM
alpha434   WD-40   Feb 20 2007, 06:36 PM
Eric_Shea   MFI sucks... :poke: I have dual 40IDA3C's. F...   Feb 20 2007, 07:23 PM
911quest   Now you know why later carbed Prosches came with a...   Feb 20 2007, 08:07 PM
PinetreePorsche   Now you know why later carbed Prosches came with ...   Feb 20 2007, 08:34 PM
mikez   Now you know why later carbed Prosches came with ...   Feb 20 2007, 08:58 PM
Eric_Shea   I personally don't think anything is wrong wit...   Feb 20 2007, 08:58 PM
Aaron Cox   ill chime in here.... on cold mornings (cold is r...   Feb 20 2007, 09:05 PM
Eric_Shea   :agree: Sounds pretty normal to me...   Feb 20 2007, 09:09 PM
911quest   Whats really challenging is running the webers on ...   Feb 20 2007, 09:16 PM
mikez   Whats really challenging is running the webers on...   Feb 20 2007, 09:17 PM
911quest   Ahem....buy some rains shields? :idea: [/quote] ...   Feb 20 2007, 09:27 PM
Hammy   :hijacked: So is it normal for a carbed engine to...   Feb 20 2007, 09:18 PM
Eric_Shea   My 911 spits and sputters until it smooths out...   Feb 20 2007, 09:20 PM


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