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> Fuel Inj v Carbs v Drivability, What's easier for new teener to drive?
c12croft
post Apr 26 2007, 01:58 PM
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[i][b] When it comes to drivability and general ease of driving for my wife's sake, chosing between 46 Dellortos, Webbers, and properly fuctioning fuel injection is a no brainer I assume.
Has anyone been successful with getting their better half to master driving their 914 carb conversions?
It's only my physical disablity that's forcing me to give up my driver's seat.
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post Apr 26 2007, 03:22 PM
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With the right FI setup, you can meet and/or exceed carbureted power. Both systems tuned properly will net reliability.

A properly configured PEFI system will run excellent.
A properly configured carb system will run excellent.

Only differences would be... How many possible failure points in each? How tuneable are they? How expensive are they?

Carbs you get three settings usually. 1) Idle 2) Midrange 3) WOT.
PEFI you get... Wow, the whole RPM range can be configured.

But I like FI, and would love to switch to a PEFI system.
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post Apr 26 2007, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE(Brando @ Apr 26 2007, 02:22 PM) *

With the right FI setup, you can meet and/or exceed carbureted power. Both systems tuned properly will net reliability.

A properly configured PEFI system will run excellent.
A properly configured carb system will run excellent.

Only differences would be... How many possible failure points in each? How tuneable are they? How expensive are they?

Carbs you get three settings usually. 1) Idle 2) Midrange 3) WOT.
PEFI you get... Wow, the whole RPM range can be configured.

But I like FI, and would love to switch to a PEFI system.


I hear you - I'd like to go to PEFI on my 914, too.

There are a lot of different operating conditions that a fuel system needs to accomodate, and many of these conditions are interactive:

1. Cold start (sitting overnight)
2. Cold-cold start (engine temperature under 32 deg. F)
3. Warm start (engine not fully warmed up)
4. Hot start (engine fully warmed up)
5. Warm-up (affects all load and engine speed mixtures)
6. Part-load (low throttle angle)
7. Moderate load (transition region)
8. Full-load (WOT)
9. Overrun (closed throttle, coasting)
10. Acceleration (rapid throttle closing)
11. Altitude compensation
12. Ambient air temperature

Oh, and you've got to do all of this while optimizing performance, maintaining good fuel economy, and producing low HC, CO, and NOx emissions.

Doing all that with carbs proved impossible for auto manufacturers as emissions regulations tightened, hence the move to EFI through the 70's and 80's. I was always impressed by Honda, how long they held out against going to EFI. Some of the carbs they put on the Accord in the '80s were freakin' insane, with about a billion vacuum hoses and all kinds of little gizmos attached.

I had a 2.2L with 40IDF Webers before I converted back to D-Jet FI. I really liked that motor, it had gobs of power and sounded great. Wasn't that bad to tune and maintain, but you did have to stay on it. But it didn't have a warm-up system, drank fuel like booze, and put out gobs of pollution. Carbs also are intrinsicallly unable to be as efficient as FI due to poor fuel atomization.

I think carbs are great for modder's, but as people have become more familiar with FI, PEFI systems are now the tool of choice. Even better are systems that permit full engine management, with active control (e.g. idle speed control, and active mixture control w/oxygen sensors).
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c12croft   Fuel Inj v Carbs v Drivability   Apr 26 2007, 01:58 PM
byndbad914   frankly, a well-tuned carburetor will run just as ...   Apr 26 2007, 02:04 PM
toon1   Is there a drivability prob. now? if so wht is it?   Apr 26 2007, 02:05 PM
Tobra   FI is superior in general. If you are going up an...   Apr 26 2007, 02:12 PM
Brando   With the right FI setup, you can meet and/or excee...   Apr 26 2007, 03:22 PM
pbanders   With the right FI setup, you can meet and/or exce...   Apr 26 2007, 07:10 PM
r_towle   I would leave it the way it is. If you can still d...   Apr 26 2007, 03:26 PM
c12croft   I would leave it the way it is. If you can still ...   Apr 28 2007, 09:12 PM
toon1   With the right FI setup, you can meet and/or exce...   Apr 26 2007, 03:31 PM
Brando   With the right FI setup, you can meet and/or excee...   Apr 26 2007, 06:32 PM
Bleyseng   Carbs suffer from changing conditions....cold/hot,...   Apr 26 2007, 05:02 PM
pbanders   Overall, FI is better in theory and often in pract...   Apr 26 2007, 05:17 PM
9146986   Good stock injection is quieter, generally more fu...   Apr 26 2007, 06:31 PM
toon1   Here is a choice a dyed in the wool carb user migh...   Apr 26 2007, 07:23 PM
bd1308   You know something--I work with a quadriplegic, he...   Apr 28 2007, 11:33 PM
So.Cal.914   You know something--I work with a quadriplegic, h...   May 8 2007, 09:31 PM
Bleyseng   The one thing that made carbs easier was it give...   May 8 2007, 11:48 PM
So.Cal.914   The one thing that made carbs easier was it giv...   May 9 2007, 01:01 AM
Joe Sharp   If you want the car to start every time you turn t...   Apr 28 2007, 11:52 PM
Bleyseng   I know you post those results all the time Joe but...   Apr 29 2007, 10:47 AM
rhodyguy   that *proper condition* can set you back with eith...   Apr 29 2007, 11:21 AM
c12croft   thank you much for your well wishes and engineerin...   May 8 2007, 05:31 PM
Brando   No, you don't have to. Raby makes an excellent...   May 8 2007, 09:02 PM
chris914   Maybe this will help, http://www.tunacan.net/t4/t...   May 8 2007, 10:27 PM
chris914   I’m still looking for a throttle body EFI th...   May 8 2007, 10:33 PM
Aaron Cox   I’m still looking for a throttle body EFI that ...   May 8 2007, 10:50 PM
chris914   I’m still looking for a throttle body EFI ...   May 9 2007, 01:00 AM
Aaron Cox   [quote name='Aaron Cox' post='898317' date='May 8...   May 9 2007, 12:21 PM
Bleyseng   All car makers went to FI because its a better fue...   May 9 2007, 10:06 AM
Brando   Carbs are a bit better than stock FI, but PEFI ran...   May 9 2007, 11:42 AM
Bleyseng   Carbs are a bit better than stock FI, but PEFI ra...   May 9 2007, 10:25 PM


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