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> Repainting the 914: Down to metal, always?, Curious to get your thoughts
Repainting: Down to metal, ALWAYS?
What say you?
Better skin the panels, remove the fenders, and go whole hog [ 10 ] ** [5.35%]
Down to metal, no matter what -- it's the only way [ 83 ] ** [44.39%]
Strip only where you see rust bubbles, then trust the factory primer [ 64 ] ** [34.22%]
Prep and paint it as is -- but if it's only been repainted once [ 14 ] ** [7.49%]
Prep it quick and shoot it, who cares? [ 6 ] ** [3.21%]
I paint with brushes [ 10 ] ** [5.35%]
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horizontally-opposed
post Apr 26 2007, 09:09 PM
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So I'm curious to see what the collected wisdom and experience here says -- and I'd like to hear from those who are NOT/have NOT stripped the car of every part for a "rotisserie" style restoration.

This is for those of us with running, driving 914s considering a paint job yet less than enthusiastic about disassembling the whole car.

I'd especially like to hear from Dr. 914 and others who have restored multiple 914s over time and seen how the paint jobs held up. Is a rust bubble the kiss of death for all surrounding metal?

Thanks, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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post May 13 2007, 08:59 AM
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This is a tough one, I think it ultimately depends on the car, who's doing the work, and the quality of the materials being used. I took all of the auto body/paint classes that the local JC had to offer and they were ICAR backed classes. I was able to keep my chassis at the school and strip it down via DA to bare metal, epoxy primer each panel as soon as I reached metal to prevent any oxidation, installed flares, smoothed it all out, and final paint in the schools booth.

First of all, lets talk about the factory paint. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they dipped the cars in primer, so it "should have" covered every surface and crack. Obviously over time this barrier has subsided to the elements. In most cases, its due to rocks chipping the paint, battery acid, and normal chassis flex during use which creats openings at the seams. You only need to go to metal where oxidation has taken place or massive amounts of bondo was favored above spending more time/money "fixing" the dent correctly.

Some of these chassis have MANY paint jobs. My chassis started life signal orange, forget the second color (black maybe?), then back to signal orange, and then again, then I think a red, and finally maroon metallic. Depending on the quality of the respray, I wouldn't want more than 3 paint jobs on a car. At that point I'd at least take it down to the previous paint job and lay down the new coat.

Now assuming for the moment we're going to keep a few layers of the factory paint and only focus on the oxidation and any thick filled areas. Take those to bare metal and bondo or epoxy primer, then spray your sanding primers and smooth out the panels. Sounds easy right? Here in lies a surrounding problem. The old paint will actually soak up the solvents from the new primers and paints. This causes the new paint to shrink and/or crack which can ruin the final paint job if the chassis is rushed from start to finish. To prevent this from happening, light initial coats along with waiting longer between coats to give the solvents more time to be absorbed by the old, and then evaporate from both.

For future projects I am more inclined to leave a few factory layers because I simply don't see the purpose of spending the extra money in sanding materials.

All that being said, if the chassis was special enough like the original 6's or even race history (I know they're all worth saving, but some more than others), I would consider acid dipping. Wurth, along with others like 3M make phenomenal tunnel sealer spraying tools. They work by sticking a small, long flexible tube as far up in the tunnel from an access hole. Then you pull the trigger and pull the tube out slowly while spraying a 360deg fan coating of a wax/primer. Being unable to coat those parts is the only thing that would keep me from an acid dip.

Well, thats all i know at the moment. Cheers, Don.
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horizontally-opposed   Repainting the 914: Down to metal, always?   Apr 26 2007, 09:09 PM
Kona Cruisers   depends on your budget............... comeing fro...   Apr 26 2007, 09:19 PM
jd74914   Always take care of rust. Rust bubbles will be the...   Apr 26 2007, 09:23 PM
Borderline   Pete, if I recall correctly your car looked pretty...   Apr 26 2007, 09:46 PM
SirAndy   So I'm curious to see what the collected wisd...   Apr 26 2007, 09:53 PM
gaz914   we just found 8 (eight!) layers of old paint...   Apr 29 2007, 08:37 PM
Vacca Rabite   Down to metal. Only way to be sure. Besides, if ...   Apr 26 2007, 10:23 PM
boxstr   This is the black widow....naked   Apr 26 2007, 10:28 PM
horizontally-opposed   This is the black widow....naked How many pain...   Apr 27 2007, 01:18 AM
boxstr   The black widow....basic black   Apr 26 2007, 10:30 PM
thomasotten   Focuas on the rusted sections. Not the non-rusted...   Apr 26 2007, 10:40 PM
Lou W   Damn, I feel disenfranchised.... I wanted to vote ...   Apr 26 2007, 11:12 PM
Spoke   My bud just had his 69 Camaro painted by a reputab...   Apr 27 2007, 06:37 AM
9146986   For an optimum job a total strip down is probably ...   Apr 27 2007, 08:10 AM
gopack   I voted for strip it to bare metal, both here and ...   Apr 27 2007, 08:20 AM
rick 918-S   A couple of issues: I have painted over factory ...   Apr 27 2007, 09:01 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   So I'm curious to see what the collected wisd...   Apr 27 2007, 09:08 AM
black73   When the cars were painted at the factory the me...   Apr 29 2007, 08:35 PM
914-8   When the cars were painted at the factory the m...   Apr 30 2007, 11:38 AM
Garold Shaffer   So I'm curious to see what the collected wisd...   Apr 27 2007, 09:11 AM
boxstr   The black widow was an original black 74. I purcha...   Apr 27 2007, 09:32 AM
andys   I just had this conversation with a custom car pai...   Apr 27 2007, 11:05 AM
Gudhjem   So I'm curious to see what the collected wisd...   Apr 27 2007, 12:24 PM
turtleturtle   What about cars that have the Chalon body conversi...   Jan 14 2008, 08:27 AM
John   By reading this post you will know how I voted. I...   Apr 27 2007, 12:53 PM
horizontally-opposed   There is a LOT of good info filtering into this, a...   Apr 27 2007, 01:17 PM
JPB   If your car has a few layers of paint, thats good ...   Apr 27 2007, 09:24 PM
jk76.914   I too was worried about being able to get as durab...   Apr 28 2007, 05:47 AM
crash914   Hi Jim, looks great! I got your pressure plat...   Apr 28 2007, 08:51 AM
ClayPerrine   I don't think you need to remove all the old p...   Apr 28 2007, 08:44 AM
Thomas J Bliznik   My paint process was very similiar to JK76.914 in ...   Apr 28 2007, 10:16 AM
tracks914   I took 2 different approaches on my 2 cars. Both c...   Apr 28 2007, 08:34 PM
PanelBilly   There is only one way for sure to know what the ba...   Apr 28 2007, 08:36 PM
dgw   The paint guys I used to talk to always said that ...   May 3 2007, 08:45 PM
John   The paint guys I used to talk to always said that...   May 12 2007, 10:27 PM
PRS914-6   If the factory applied primer was so good, then ...   May 12 2007, 10:51 PM
BigD9146gt   This is a tough one, I think it ultimately depends...   May 13 2007, 08:59 AM
smj   I've got a factory 1970 914-6 that was origina...   May 14 2007, 07:49 PM
2-OH!   1st two 75's I restored, I just sanded down to...   May 16 2007, 05:04 PM
1970 Neun vierzehn   I would be reluctant to paint a car this old an...   May 16 2007, 07:51 PM
computers4kids   I'm on my second strip job now, first was my 7...   Jan 14 2008, 09:04 AM
warrenporsche   If this is THE 914 you love, then you will proabal...   Jan 14 2008, 09:47 AM
degreeoff   :DRUNK: I will (and have ) vote for the bare metal...   Jan 14 2008, 01:48 PM
Mark Henry   Depends on the car... Factory primer is tough... ...   May 14 2008, 12:59 AM
Krieger914   Hey Pete, I don't know if you remember the det...   May 14 2008, 06:54 PM
kwales   OK, WTF with the date? My screen says May 14, 200...   Mar 19 2010, 02:26 PM
kwales   Now it's back to March 19, 2010... Did I just...   Mar 19 2010, 02:28 PM
McMark   Um.... except for yours, just now, the last post ...   Mar 19 2010, 02:32 PM
kwales   Well it popped up to the top of the thread list wi...   Mar 19 2010, 02:40 PM
SirAndy   Well it popped up to the top of the thread list w...   Mar 19 2010, 02:51 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   Only paint over paint if it is the original factor...   Mar 19 2010, 04:08 PM
Shade Tree   Only paint over paint if it is the original facto...   Mar 19 2010, 04:14 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   It NEVER fails to get into cracks and crevices and...   Mar 19 2010, 04:27 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   Here are some of the cars in our body shop. Anyon...   Mar 19 2010, 04:10 PM
kwales   There is an electro process used here in Cincinnat...   Mar 19 2010, 04:38 PM
bandjoey   I AM THE HARBINGER OF JACKSTAND DEATH. :chair: :c...   Mar 19 2010, 10:11 PM
PH1   I AM THE HARBINGER OF JACKSTAND DEATH. :chair: :...   Mar 20 2010, 08:37 PM
tat2dphreak   I AM THE HARBINGER OF JACKSTAND DEATH. :chair: :...   Apr 16 2010, 06:42 PM
horizontally-opposed   Well, I planned to sand down to the last fill coat...   Apr 16 2010, 03:28 PM
crxnug   if your going to spend money on expensive paint wh...   Apr 16 2010, 06:13 PM
bandjoey   Run a new poll like this and you'll have your ...   Apr 16 2010, 07:09 PM
charliew   I've been painting my cars since 1967. There w...   Apr 17 2010, 09:42 AM
PRS914-6   My painter wouldn't even give an estimate unti...   Apr 17 2010, 10:48 AM
jcb29   Great discussion and informative, folks - my probl...   Apr 22 2010, 07:00 PM
MrKona   Great discussion and informative, folks - my prob...   May 1 2010, 09:11 PM
pillay2k   Stripped by hand, all over, under and inside. Tota...   May 2 2010, 03:29 AM
charliew   There is nothing like the feeling you get knowing ...   May 3 2010, 10:39 AM


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