Front end neg camber, how much have you got, how'd ya get it Options

[ottox914]

Looking for some inside secrets, black magic, motorhead mojo, on front end camber. I know our cars are a mixed bag in terms of what you can get in front. My '73 with the GPR/tarrott camber plates can get 2.4 neg on one side, only 1.8 on the other. The chassis measures out fine, no tweekage. It'd by nice to be able to equalize them both at around 2.5, or better still, 3.0, but how. I have no interest in taking this car to autocross nationals or get into hard core scca auto x stuff, just want to putter around and make a better local car, so bending the rules a little doesn't scare me, depending on how far the bend is.

So what do you all have, and how'd you get it?

Anyone use an aftermarket bolt on camberplate like all the little ricer guys run? I've never seen one for our cars, but they don't look hard to make. I was wondering if one could be designed to hold the top strut bearing up over the plate, thus allowing: 1) a little more strut travel on lowered cars, and 2) if the bearing is up over the adjustable top plate, the strut could maybe "tip" more to the inside, as the slim diameter of the strut rod would be smaller than the bearing or strut tube, and could be tilted in, closer to the edge of the factory hole.

I'm picturing something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Steeda-Cast...1QQcmdZViewItem

[J P Stein]

By all means, get more negative camber. Brad Roberts says good drivers use lots of negative camber so if you wanna be thought of as good, get -3/-4. You may wear out the iinside edges of your tires quickly, but you'll look cool doing it.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Borderline]

By all means, get more negative camber. Brad Roberts says good drivers use lots of negative camber so if you wanna be thought of as good, get -3/-4. You may wear out the iinside edges of your tires quickly, but you'll look cool doing it.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

As long as I look cool doing it that's all that matters! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Actually I'd like to like good on the results page too. I remember Brad's posts about the euro drivers using so much camber and going so fast. Gotta be the way to go! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

A recent copy of Grassroots Motorsports profiles a 240sx champion that is running 4.5* neg up front. And Nathan did very well when he was running his teener. I had no idea he was running so much neg camber. The way I see it, the more body roll you have the more neg camber you have to put in to get the tire upright in the corner. Of course, all of this seems to go out the window when you start talking about bias ply slicks.

OK JP, what you running and how'd you get there?

[nebreitling]

By all means, get more negative camber. Brad Roberts says good drivers use lots of negative camber so if you wanna be thought of as good, get -3/-4. You may wear out the iinside edges of your tires quickly, but you'll look cool doing it.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

As long as I look cool doing it that's all that matters! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Actually I'd like to like good on the results page too. I remember Brad's posts about the euro drivers using so much camber and going so fast. Gotta be the way to go! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

A recent copy of Grassroots Motorsports profiles a 240sx champion that is running 4.5* neg up front. And Nathan did very well when he was running his teener. I had no idea he was running so much neg camber. The way I see it, the more body roll you have the more neg camber you have to put in to get the tire upright in the corner. Of course, all of this seems to go out the window when you start talking about bias ply slicks.

OK JP, what you running and how'd you get there?

run whatever you need to go fast, regardless of what JP or Brad or anyone says (actually, that's exactly what Brad is saying). for me (running hoosiers/710's), this was -3.5~ish. was about to go for more, but I sold the car. tire temps, wear, and timeslips will always reveal the truth.

yeah, I think of myself as good. not because of freakin' camber.

[J P Stein]

By all means, get more negative camber. Brad Roberts says good drivers use lots of negative camber so if you wanna be thought of as good, get -3/-4. You may wear out the iinside edges of your tires quickly, but you'll look cool doing it.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

As long as I look cool doing it that's all that matters! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Actually I'd like to like good on the results page too. I remember Brad's posts about the euro drivers using so much camber and going so fast. Gotta be the way to go! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

A recent copy of Grassroots Motorsports profiles a 240sx champion that is running 4.5* neg up front. And Nathan did very well when he was running his teener. I had no idea he was running so much neg camber. The way I see it, the more body roll you have the more neg camber you have to put in to get the tire upright in the corner. Of course, all of this seems to go out the window when you start talking about bias ply slicks.

OK JP, what you running and how'd you get there?

run whatever you need to go fast, regardless of what JP or Brad or anyone says (actually, that's exactly what Brad is saying). for me (running hoosiers/710's), this was -3.5~ish. was about to go for more, but I sold the car. tire temps, wear, and timeslips will always reveal the truth.

yeah, I think of myself as good. not because of freakin' camber.

I run -.5 at both ends and that's too much up front...meaningless for guys running R spec tiars. When I ran Rspecs I used right around -2 which gave good temps across the face & a good wear pattern.

As to "good", competition reveals the truth. For me, top 5 at PCA = top 20 at SCCA......sometimes better, seldom worse. Britian (my co-driver) does considerably better, so I know my place in the pecking order.

BTW:
I'm off tonight for Packwood WA & a NW Region SCCA AX tomorrow. I've never run with these guys before and looking over the pre-reg. (177 entered thus far) there are some well known names coming....class ass kickers at the Nats. I'd prolly better find some pillows
to stick on my backside cause it's gonna get kicked a lot (IMG:style_emoticons/default/alfred.gif)

Ah well, you can't make an omlet without breaking a few eggs.