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> My engine temps are high...real high, Paging Jake Raby
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post Sep 13 2007, 04:29 PM
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Hey Yall,

I just installed my Cylinder Head temp sensor under the plug on #3, didnt cut the wires and installed everything as per VDO specs.

I also hooked up my oil temp gauge and to my delight, the sensor actually works.

Now, the bad news...

My engine runs hot....REAL hot.

According to Jake, this thing should be severely damaged by now. At idle it'll get up to 350 on head temps pretty quick and stay there.

After driving a little it'll get to 400 and stay there, going down to 350 when sitting at a light. If i start cruising at 45mph or so, it'll get to 400 and a little beyond, i think i've seen as high as 450 on there. Just cruising in 4th gear going 45 will do this. The thing is, the engine sounds fine. I was expecting to hear wierd noises or see smoke, but it just keeps thrumming along. What's going on here?

About the engine:
hydraulic lifters.
no lower air diverter (plastic flap thingy) on passenger side
no lower engine tin on driver's side
pretty much shot seals around the engine tin
no warm air guides
stock 76 exhaust manifold to cobbled shitty motorcycle dual exhaust, 1 per cyl bank
weber progressive carb
what looks like a 009 on there (mallory and promaster are on the way)

What can I do to lower these temps? is my engine toast? (it seems to drive just fine, if a little slow)

It had run-on and was pinging on the last tank of gas (regular) but now i'm running premium and those things seem to have stopped

Help me guys, jake, what can i do? timing? too lean? what?
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post Sep 13 2007, 05:19 PM
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@toon1
the gauge and sensor are brand new from jegs, the exact sensor and gauge combo i've seen on this forum at least eleventy thousand times.

timing, i have no idea, dont have a timing lamp

unknown miles on motor, odometer stopped at 49k~ and i have since fixed it and rolled it to 0, now it's got 150 on it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

it's not leaking oil, because the crankcase vents arent connected to anything

the engine is surprisingly oil-cakeless

i dunno what rich or lean plugs look like: i assume rich is wet looking, lean is white? mine are dry and blackish

in order to replace the tin...substanctial engine dis-assembly is required, as the front and rear tins are missing on drivers side, and the baffle plate, which reqires removing the pushrod tubes, AFAIK

and dropping the engine is probably going to have to happen too, huh?

I know i have to fix the tin and seals, i have to drop the engine to do this dont i?

I'm scared of opening up the engine, because every project i've done on this car ends up leading to another more difficult one. like i'm really looking forward to the 'pulled exhaust studs' issue since i've got later exhaust

i'll set the timing when i put the mallory on there (wiring i'm excellent at, it's mechanical stuff like timing that is new to me) any tips? which timing lamp should i use? can i do it right the first time? should i take it somewhere?
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QUOTE(purple @ Sep 13 2007, 04:19 PM) *

@toon1
the gauge and sensor are brand new from jegs, the exact sensor and gauge combo i've seen on this forum at least eleventy thousand times.

timing, i have no idea, dont have a timing lamp

unknown miles on motor, odometer stopped at 49k~ and i have since fixed it and rolled it to 0, now it's got 150 on it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

it's not leaking oil, because the crankcase vents arent connected to anything

the engine is surprisingly oil-cakeless

i dunno what rich or lean plugs look like: i assume rich is wet looking, lean is white? mine are dry and blackish

in order to replace the tin...substanctial engine dis-assembly is required, as the front and rear tins are missing on drivers side, and the baffle plate, which reqires removing the pushrod tubes, AFAIK

and dropping the engine is probably going to have to happen too, huh?

I know i have to fix the tin and seals, i have to drop the engine to do this dont i?

I'm scared of opening up the engine, because every project i've done on this car ends up leading to another more difficult one. like i'm really looking forward to the 'pulled exhaust studs' issue since i've got later exhaust

i'll set the timing when i put the mallory on there (wiring i'm excellent at, it's mechanical stuff like timing that is new to me) any tips? which timing lamp should i use? can i do it right the first time? should i take it somewhere?


Is it a compensated guage? Reads the ambient when the engine is off and cold?

Timing.
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purple   My engine temps are high...real high   Sep 13 2007, 04:29 PM
toon1   Carbs. or F.I.? Is it the right gauge and senso...   Sep 13 2007, 05:09 PM
Rand   Absolutely check your timing. If you aren't po...   Sep 13 2007, 05:09 PM
purple   @toon1 the gauge and sensor are brand new from jeg...   Sep 13 2007, 05:19 PM
ConeDodger   @toon1 the gauge and sensor are brand new from je...   Sep 13 2007, 05:28 PM
Jake Raby   Oh my god.... You have several things causing this...   Sep 13 2007, 05:26 PM
purple   At least you're honest. The p.o. did all this...   Sep 13 2007, 05:36 PM
purple   The CHT is installed, as you instruct, under plug ...   Sep 13 2007, 05:40 PM
purple   and you're right about efficiency, i got 14.7 ...   Sep 13 2007, 05:43 PM
Jake Raby   Damn. My Pinzgauer military truck gets better than...   Sep 13 2007, 05:51 PM
purple   do i have to take the drivers side heads off to pu...   Sep 13 2007, 05:53 PM
sww914   I'd worry about the timing and the Weber progr...   Sep 13 2007, 05:59 PM
Joe Ricard   I was gonna help you with what to do but Seems Jak...   Sep 13 2007, 05:59 PM
purple   What steps do you guys think I should take? what...   Sep 13 2007, 06:09 PM
Rand   The steps you should take have already been said. ...   Sep 13 2007, 06:18 PM
Jake Raby   VW of Canada rebuilds aresomewhat funky, but are O...   Sep 13 2007, 06:20 PM
davep   I don't think a VW Canada engine would have AM...   Sep 13 2007, 07:14 PM
purple   so the exhaust is the first step. I think i'l...   Sep 13 2007, 07:32 PM
toon1   so the exhaust is the first step. I think i...   Sep 13 2007, 08:10 PM
Spoke   About the engine tin rubber gaskets, I was able to...   Sep 14 2007, 07:40 AM
purple   Let me get your guys' opinion. I think I found...   Sep 14 2007, 10:06 AM
purple   Here is a pic of the driver's side cylinders. ...   Sep 14 2007, 10:09 AM
purple   And for those that doubt it... Here are pics of th...   Sep 14 2007, 10:11 AM
toon1   Here is a pic of the driver's side cylinders....   Sep 14 2007, 10:52 AM
purple   Exactly how far apart does the engine need to come...   Sep 14 2007, 04:45 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   It has been a while since I have done any work to ...   Sep 14 2007, 06:09 PM
toon1   Exactly how far apart does the engine need to com...   Sep 14 2007, 06:22 PM
thomasotten   Jakes engine kits were on sale today.... :) Thi...   Sep 14 2007, 06:52 PM
purple   thanks thomas! i didnt realize exactly how ...   Sep 14 2007, 10:27 PM
jk76.914   That missing baffle could be your biggest single p...   Sep 15 2007, 07:26 AM
thomasotten   You should soak your exhaust studs with PB blaster...   Sep 15 2007, 08:48 AM
BMartin914   You should soak your exhaust studs with PB blaste...   Sep 15 2007, 10:58 AM
purple   soo...I had to go to friggen GERMANY to get the en...   Sep 20 2007, 11:12 AM
Jake Raby   soo...I had to go to friggen GERMANY to get the e...   Sep 20 2007, 03:12 PM
Rand   I have ALL the sheetmetal and dozens of each piec...   Sep 20 2007, 06:50 PM
Jake Raby   I have ALL the sheetmetal and dozens of each pie...   Sep 21 2007, 09:12 AM
toon1   soo...I had to go to friggen GERMANY to get the e...   Sep 20 2007, 12:21 PM
purple   I know toon....but here my birthday is coming up a...   Sep 20 2007, 01:58 PM
toon1   I know toon....but here my birthday is coming up ...   Sep 20 2007, 02:06 PM
purple   Word to that toon   Sep 20 2007, 02:45 PM
purple   well now that i know that, if i get the wrong stu...   Sep 20 2007, 03:42 PM
purple   My question jake et al. is do you have the thermos...   Sep 20 2007, 03:45 PM
thomasotten   I believe it MUST have the thermostat flaps, but i...   Sep 20 2007, 04:14 PM
purple   thankfully i have the flaps. As I've read th...   Sep 20 2007, 06:11 PM
toon1   thankfully i have the flaps. As I've read t...   Sep 21 2007, 08:53 AM
purple   Jake....would it be completely advantageous to put...   Sep 21 2007, 10:10 AM
rhodyguy   the plug angle is dif on the 2.0 vs 1.7/1.8 heads....   Sep 21 2007, 10:22 AM
stateofidleness   does anyone have pictures of this tin? and these ...   Sep 21 2007, 10:25 AM
toon1   does anyone have pictures of this tin? and these ...   Sep 21 2007, 11:02 AM


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