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> Trailing arm bushings, 2 Q's
toon1
post Sep 11 2007, 11:08 PM
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I pulled the trailing arms today and the bushings look ok.

HOw can I check them to see if they are still usable?

Will the stock bushings survive powder coating?


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post Sep 15 2007, 09:33 AM
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Roller bearings are unidirectional and will rotate in both directions equally well.

That being said, the trailing arms normally operate in a limited angular travel (10-15 degrees?) when driving sedately on smooth roads, and experience more angular travel for bumps, potholes, and spirited driving.

So, for the majority of the time, the small diameter rollers are going back and forth over a small section of the race and you might get localized wear. Another point to consider is the small surface contact area of a roller on a shaft. This will result in high stress loads (Pounds/Area) at the contact points.

Hmmm, brinneling (back and forth partial rotation and fretting) of the bearings is another thing to design around. Had a professor in college who worked at GM and talked about a brinneling issue with automotive wheel bearings. They traced it to shipping cars on trains and the constant click clack of going over rail joints which caused the cars to move back and forth slightly and to brinnel the wheelbearings. The frequency of the click clack was related to the speed of the train and the failure as well as the large diameter balls in the wheel bearings. Large diameter balls meant the ball couldn't rotate fully but only over a small area of the surface and caused brinneling. Smaller balls was part of the fix.

Hopefully, the Chinese haven't got into the bearing business as the FAG and Fafner and Torrington companies used to be extremely fanatical in making quality products. With bearings, it's all about correct matrials, ultra rigerous manufacturing processes and tolerances, smooooth surface finishes, and material processes (heat treating). An oops in any one of those areas results in early wear and failure, and from my personal experience the Chinese would ship it anyway -until busted and then deny.

The short of it? Main bearings are long for lower stresses (good), roller diameters are small to maximize rotation of the rollers during movement (good for brinneling issues), and racing would consistently maximize loads and accelerate wear. Seems a lot of teams are using them. That statement about directional bearings is BS. And yes, I've designed products with both the one way and the universal rollers. Also did a lot of linear bearing work and plastic bearings with certain specialty nylons (Rulons) and plain old delrins work really good and last forever. Plastics are prolly great for the trailing arms- ask Racer Chris about his process.

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toon1   Trailing arm bushings   Sep 11 2007, 11:08 PM
toon1   enigine bay and under trunk got primered Lotta wor...   Sep 11 2007, 11:10 PM
hwgunner   My recolection is that powder coating ovens are se...   Sep 11 2007, 11:33 PM
ConeDodger   I do not think the bushings will survive. Even if ...   Sep 11 2007, 11:49 PM
Krieger914   Your car looks great! The only problem is tha...   Sep 12 2007, 12:10 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   Ummmm.... Roller as in needle? Don't do that.....   Sep 12 2007, 12:23 AM
Mueller   Ummmm.... Roller as in needle? Don't do that....   Sep 14 2007, 08:46 PM
kconway   I'm prepping my engine compartment also and ha...   Sep 12 2007, 12:32 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   I'm prepping my engine compartment also and h...   Sep 12 2007, 12:50 AM
toon1   I've been reading on the different types of bu...   Sep 12 2007, 12:43 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   I've been reading on the different types of b...   Sep 12 2007, 12:54 AM
toon1   I'm prepping my engine compartment also and h...   Sep 12 2007, 12:46 AM
toon1   I've been reading on the different types of ...   Sep 12 2007, 01:04 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   That sounds like a good idea. Maybe you can find s...   Sep 12 2007, 01:08 AM
Rand   This is the first time I've ever heard anythin...   Sep 12 2007, 01:34 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   Hey Rand This info all comes from Greg Fordahl......   Sep 12 2007, 02:10 AM
jd74914   I can't understand why needle bearing would be...   Sep 12 2007, 07:16 AM
neo914-6   How can bearings be uni-directional if you put the...   Sep 12 2007, 09:08 AM
jd74914   Thats why I don't understand it Felix . . . un...   Sep 12 2007, 09:20 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   Yes Jim... that is what he said. They will have a ...   Sep 12 2007, 11:28 AM
Joe Ricard   Race car gets race parts and those parts get inspe...   Sep 12 2007, 11:48 AM
PRS914-6   Regarding the needle bearings and one direction......   Sep 14 2007, 11:09 PM
kwales   Roller bearings are unidirectional and will rotate...   Sep 15 2007, 09:33 AM
Bartlett 914   Roller bearings are unidirectional and will rotat...   Sep 15 2007, 09:42 AM
burton73   At was at the same place as you when picking beari...   Sep 15 2007, 12:52 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   lol... thanks Bob. I was just told to look at the ...   Sep 15 2007, 11:40 PM
roadster fan   Thanks for the link to elephant and the explanatio...   Sep 16 2007, 01:27 AM
kwales   I would also think that race cars would wear worse...   Sep 16 2007, 03:14 PM
Brando   On a side note... Roller bearings would be awesome...   Sep 16 2007, 03:16 PM
Aaron Cox   what is the diameter of each roller in the roller ...   Sep 16 2007, 06:11 PM
neo914-6   Who has actually measured a brinneling issue in ou...   Sep 16 2007, 09:56 PM


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