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post Oct 23 2007, 12:10 PM
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This is an article regarding the Carrera GT crash that killed the two guys in the car.
Big award......releases are suspect. Track had some fault due to barrier placement, driver had fault, everyone had some fault as in most things in life.

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post Nov 11 2007, 05:53 PM
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McClellan points out that the typical SCM subscriber, a car enthusiast who holds fast cars and racetracks dear, will never make it onto this jury. The jurors will be more ordinary citizens.
Hopefully that would have been the case. As I see it anyone participating in these events knows, or should know, that they are walking into a deadly environment where anything and everything can go wrong. Taking such into account, EVERYONE should be safety minded and be in consideration of their lives and the lives of people around them. Although, when an organizing event takes the rap for a mistake they are unfortunately fatal it seems. I agree with the comments above about safety, safety, SAFETY. Who made the mistake... Many people. I feel that overriding the tech declining the CGT owner to race should not have been. Even in instances where a car may have a safety-effecting issue of oversteer, understeer or another quality which may result in an incorrectable error, it shouldnt be allowed -- especially if an inexperienced driver is behind the wheel (and that issue is questionable in itself it seems).

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"Most people, especially those with children on the streets and highways, would fear a vehicle like the Carrera GT, with its tricky handling characteristics, 600-plus horsepower, and unskilled, unqualified drivers.
This is an issue with all vehicles on the road - not one specific to sports cars. A vehicle with a measely 50hp still has the capability to cause insurmountable damage. I do not take kindly to the tone of McClellan painting manufacturers of the vehicle for operators' flaws. IIRC Porsche highly discourages driving in such events at the dealership, and warn that if you damage your car in one you void your warranty. Ultimately what you do with your vehicle is your own responsibility, with limiting degrees.

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When a 'race car for the streets' is sold to anyone with enough money, regardless of his ability to drive it, and it doesn’t even incorporate modern electronic safety devices that correct driver errors, then maybe the manufacturer should accept some responsibility for the foreseeable deaths that will result."
Agin with the blaming of manufacturers - and announcing his intent to gain $$$ from them. Despite his belief - no safety feature in the world on today's vehicles can fully correct an operator error - unless the vehicle is not controlled by the operator at any instance can the above be said. If I lock the wheel at 150mph, can the car prevent a flat spin, rolling and quite possibly colliding with objects, people and other vehicles? How can the PSM prevent such a thing? Stability management can't. Similar to arguing how ABS systems work... Can they prevent your car from spinning out of control? No, they can only stop the wheels from locking under extreme braking.

So what is the end result? Stricter rules on ride-alongs (hopefully), increased cost to participate in events, increased costs in insurance to hold events, increased cost in track fees, lower spectators, lower participation.
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drgchapman   Carrera GT crash at California speedway: Verdict   Oct 23 2007, 12:10 PM
John   I think that I may reconsider allowing student pas...   Oct 23 2007, 12:36 PM
drgchapman   I think that I may reconsider allowing student pa...   Oct 23 2007, 12:58 PM
jhadler   The highlight I took from that was this: While the...   Oct 23 2007, 01:26 PM
byndbad914   interesting deal in the end. I don't agree wi...   Oct 23 2007, 05:05 PM
drew365   I don't believe Porsche should have had any li...   Oct 23 2007, 07:57 PM
jd74914   I agree with Tim. Porsche had nothing to do with...   Oct 23 2007, 08:04 PM
Racing916   This is exactly what is wrong with America and it...   Oct 23 2007, 09:16 PM
jhadler   I think everyone here is pretty much in agreement....   Oct 23 2007, 10:18 PM
byndbad914   Tech said "no go". And the event chair(...   Oct 23 2007, 11:07 PM
jhadler   Actually this is where I think the tech decision ...   Oct 24 2007, 12:07 PM
grantsfo   Porsche didnt even get their hand slapped financia...   Oct 23 2007, 10:30 PM
jhadler   Porsche didnt even get their hand slapped financi...   Oct 25 2007, 12:05 PM
wobbletop   If you look at the google maps of the speedway, th...   Oct 25 2007, 10:45 PM
ChrisNPDrider   I wonder how many people at the track that faithfu...   Oct 24 2007, 02:04 PM
mudfoot76   As a participant, I want a safe event and I think...   Oct 24 2007, 02:29 PM
jhadler   ...Very relevant safety observations are made, but...   Oct 24 2007, 03:56 PM
Maltese Falcon   Seems like Craig McClellan, esq. has become the at...   Nov 1 2007, 02:19 AM
Scott Carlberg   "because they (FOC) let the moron keep endang...   Nov 2 2007, 09:19 PM
Maltese Falcon   In another article that I read on this tragedy, is...   Nov 4 2007, 12:15 AM
jd74914   Doesn't that mean that Lamborghini should be h...   Nov 4 2007, 01:29 AM
Maltese Falcon   ...and the defective overheating Lambo is powered ...   Nov 4 2007, 02:03 AM
Rob Ways   50 years ago it would have been considered a tragi...   Nov 4 2007, 10:35 AM
Brando   FTA: Hopefully that would have been the case. As I...   Nov 11 2007, 05:53 PM


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