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> The start of my 2.0 build, and also the start of my questions
MrKona
post Dec 14 2007, 09:19 PM
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I talked about building up a 2.0 last winter, and now I'm finally going to do it. This is my first engine build, hence it'll be conservative and relatively stock. My only plan with the car is to have a nice, reliable, well constructed engine. I thought about a 2056, but I finally decided to stay with 94mm cylinders. I really don't want to have to tweak with FI or fiddle with cam selection right now. I've read that Jake's 9550 cam is excellent, but also that it produced dirty emissions. I'd like to keep this engine as clean as a type 4 can be. I'm also a little confused if Jake is even selling cams at the moment, so I've just decided to go with a stock grind.

My current engine is a PO rebuilt 1.8 with hydraulic lifters (with one that won't prime, sounds horrible, I can't wait to be done with them).

Highlights:

GA case
Stock displacement (with new Euro spec pistons)
Stock grind Webcam and with solid lifters (both new)
For now, I'm going to cannibalize the rebuilt 1.8 heads from my current engine, unless I find a deal on decent rebuild 2.0 heads during the build. I would love to buy a pair of Raby heads, just can't swallow the extra two grand at the moment.
L-jet fuel injection from my 1.8. (I have some issues to work out here, running really rich. No vacuum leaks that I can find. I have to check the fuel pressure - I'm thinking either AFM or pressure regulator as next areas to check). From what I've read on many threads here and other sites, the L-jet can handle up to a 2056 displacement.

I'll keep this thread updated this winter as I work through this rebuild. I don't know how long a project this will be or how quickly I may get it done.

Current progress: Jake Raby rebuild DVD - Check. Tom Wilson's book - Check. I've split the case and and planning on bringing the case, crank, and rods for reconditioning to Dan Hall's Machine Shop here in Portland. After reading various forums, this appears to be the Type IV specialist in this area. Brand new Euro-spec P/C set - Check! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

So now for my first question: Regarding the existing cylinder studs, Tom Wilson writes, "Unless you're installing case savers, don't remove the cylinder studs from the case. Doing so has no purpose, but does wear the potentially troublesome case threads, takes time, and stresses the studs" (p. 76).

In the assembly section, he states "If the cylinder studs were removed for some reason, install them now. Apply Permatex 3H to their threads to stop oil leaks" (p. 120).

I don't know the history of this case. I don't know if there was leakage at the head studs. Should I remove the studs, and reinstall with Permatex (after the case comes back from the machine shop, obviously) as a precaution to prevent potential leakage? Or should I just leave them be as is? Does it really put that much stress on the case to remove them, or is Wilson referring primarily to the Type I-III magnesium cases? I am leaning to toward remove and reinstall, as I strongly intend for this engine to be leak-free.

Lastly, as I work through this process, I welcome and encourage comments. Please, if you see something I'm doing wrong, or have advice for me, give it to me! I can probably use it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


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post Dec 14 2007, 11:31 PM
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I talked about building up a 2.0 last winter, and now I'm finally going to do it. This is my first engine build, hence it'll be conservative and relatively stock.

Cool.. But the stock combo certainly isn't the most optimum for today's driving and fuels.

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My only plan with the car is to have a nice, reliable, well constructed engine.

Call me.

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I thought about a 2056, but I finally decided to stay with 94mm cylinders. I really don't want to have to tweak with FI or fiddle with cam selection right now.


It's all in the combo. Many times trying to avoid problems (that don't really exist) only creates compromises, spends more money and still creates problems that you must overcome. Trying to avoid issues creates a mind set that breeds issues, it is mechanical and you must have the desire to whip it's ass and that must begin right now if you intend to get your money's worth and not be under the decklid every weekend....

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I've read that Jake's 9550 cam is excellent, but also that it produced dirty emissions.

NO!!!! Who said it ran dirty? Who failed an emissions test with it? Send me a link!
The 9550 manipulates the stock FI system very well and the results people have gotten with it prove this. Cooler running, more MPG, broader power and an extended RPM range are it'c characteristics- Dirty emissions is not!

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I'd like to keep this engine as clean as a type 4 can be.

OK. No p[roblem, add some CR, couple that to a 9550 and the engine will run cleaner than it was designed to 35 years ago.

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I'm also a little confused if Jake is even selling cams at the moment,

Yes, but only with complete valve train kits of compatible parts.
See this comprehensive presentation I created to go over the selection oc components. Here is the link to the version that can be viewed with IE7
http://rdtlabs.com/Presentations/t4engcam.mht

And here is the much better version for Poer Point users.
http://rdtlabs.com/Presentations/t4engcam.pps
There should be no questions remaining after viewing the presentation with it's illustrations.

See this thread on my forum for specifics on the program that we have created for 2008
http://forums.aircooledtechnology.com/showthread.php?t=1929


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so I've just decided to go with a stock grind.

Since at least one of the 11 variables dictating the necessity of valve train geometry being reset will be encountered sticking with the stock cam isn't going to make the engine any easier to build. The cams cost the same as well, so there won't be any money saved either..

The stock cam is the first thing I throw away....

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My current engine is a PO rebuilt 1.8 with hydraulic lifters (with one that won't prime, sounds horrible, I can't wait to be done with them).

Can't blame you there...

Highlights:

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GA case

Better check those case decks! the GA case is the worst!

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Stock displacement (with new Euro spec pistons)

If you haven't bought those yet, the 96s give so much more with no negative aspects.

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Stock grind Webcam and with solid lifters (both new)

The stock web grind isn't a 914 spec :"stock grind"

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For now, I'm going to cannibalize the rebuilt 1.8 heads from my current engine, unless I find a deal on decent rebuild 2.0 heads during the build.

According to who rebuilt them you might buy a nightmare.

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I would love to buy a pair of Raby heads, just can't swallow the extra two grand at the moment.

I have one pair of my personal 2.0 heads that I'll be selling soon, these are not our new castings but are built to our specs and done Len's way back to stock specs with new valve train and upgraded parts.

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L-jet fuel injection from my 1.8. (I have some issues to work out here, running really rich. No vacuum leaks that I can find. I have to check the fuel pressure - I'm thinking either AFM or pressure regulator as next areas to check). From what I've read on many threads here and other sites, the L-jet can handle up to a 2056 displacement.

Yes, L jet seems to like a 2056 better than a stock displacement engine.

I'll keep this thread updated this winter as I work through this rebuild. I don't know how long a project this will be or how quickly I may get it done.

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Current progress: Jake Raby rebuild DVD -

Cool.. Feel free to seek assistance on my forums as well, if you do go the more efficient route.

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So now for my first question: Regarding the existing cylinder studs, Tom Wilson writes, "Unless you're installing case savers, don't remove the cylinder studs from the case. Doing so has no purpose, but does wear the potentially troublesome case threads, takes time, and stresses the studs" (p. 76).

I concur.

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In the assembly section, he states "If the cylinder studs were removed for some reason, install them now. Apply Permatex 3H to their threads to stop oil leaks" (p. 120).

I concur. But I use loctite 565

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I don't know the history of this case. I don't know if there was leakage at the head studs. Should I remove the studs, and reinstall with Permatex (after the case comes back from the machine shop, obviously) as a precaution to prevent potential leakage? Or should I just leave them be as is? Does it really put that much stress on the case to remove them, or is Wilson referring primarily to the Type I-III magnesium cases? I am leaning to toward remove and reinstall, as I strongly intend for this engine to be leak-free.

This is really a non issue and you have much bigger things to worry about. I haven't had a stud leak in about 12 years-

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Lastly, as I work through this process, I welcome and encourage comments. Please, if you see something I'm doing wrong, or have advice for me, give it to me! I can probably use it!

Good mind set.

I'd like to see you get the most for your money and what we are doing just plain works.

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MrKona   The start of my 2.0 build   Dec 14 2007, 09:19 PM
MrKona   Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I bought the case ...   Dec 14 2007, 09:25 PM
toon1   Where did you hear the 9550 cam put out "dirt...   Dec 14 2007, 10:12 PM
MrKona   Where did you hear the 9550 cam put out "dir...   Dec 14 2007, 11:16 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   I built a 2056 last winter. Mahle 94 MM barrels p...   Dec 14 2007, 10:25 PM
MrKona   I built a 2056 last winter. Mahle 94 MM barrels ...   Dec 14 2007, 11:21 PM
Jake Raby   Cool.. But the stock combo certainly isn't th...   Dec 14 2007, 11:31 PM
blitZ   I did my first engine rebuild the summer of 76 wit...   Dec 15 2007, 08:15 PM
Bleyseng   I did my first engine rebuild the summer of 76 wi...   Dec 15 2007, 11:53 PM
MrKona   Small progress update. Parts - I'm buying a r...   Dec 24 2007, 05:57 PM
hydroliftin   I plan on sticking with my already acquired 94mm...   Dec 24 2007, 07:04 PM
MrKona   I plan on sticking with my already acquired 94m...   Dec 24 2007, 07:32 PM
MrKona   Update on my engine build... The case, crank, and ...   Mar 19 2008, 12:10 AM
MrKona   More...   Mar 19 2008, 12:12 AM
MrKona   More...   Mar 19 2008, 12:15 AM
craig downs   Looks like your on the way to have a good running ...   Mar 19 2008, 12:38 AM
PBritain   what did you use to clean the case? looks incredi...   Mar 19 2008, 12:49 AM
MrKona   what did you use to clean the case? looks incred...   Mar 19 2008, 09:11 AM
Jake Raby   Lookin good! I like the cleaned threads on th...   Mar 19 2008, 09:15 AM
MrKona   Lookin good! I like the cleaned threads on t...   Mar 19 2008, 09:19 AM
Jake Raby   Excelent.. Stay away from shop rags filled with l...   Mar 19 2008, 09:29 AM
Vacca Rabite   That crank bracket is brilliant. I wish that I ha...   Mar 19 2008, 10:14 AM
6freak   That crank bracket is brilliant. I wish that I h...   May 29 2008, 01:27 PM
MrKona   So tonight was a good night, after months of amass...   Mar 22 2008, 01:15 AM
MrKona   More...   Mar 22 2008, 01:16 AM
Gint   Cool thread. Thanks for taking the time to post y...   Mar 22 2008, 08:36 AM
MrKona   Cool thread. Thanks for taking the time to post ...   Mar 23 2008, 12:34 AM
MrKona   A little more progress tonight. I fastened the cam...   Mar 23 2008, 12:47 AM
Walter   Cool! What cam did ou end up with? I like the ...   Mar 23 2008, 07:17 AM
MrKona   Cool! What cam did ou end up with? I like the...   Mar 23 2008, 11:46 AM
MrKona   Slowly, but surely, progress marches on, and it...   Apr 3 2008, 11:54 PM
Todd Enlund   Looking killer, dude! :headbanger:   Apr 4 2008, 01:00 AM
MrKona   Today I installed the oil pump (modified type 1), ...   Apr 6 2008, 01:08 AM
MrKona   Beauty shots...   Apr 6 2008, 01:10 AM
JRust   Hard to believe that was the engine I sold you. Im...   Apr 19 2008, 06:23 AM
MrKona   Hard to believe that was the engine I sold you. I...   Apr 19 2008, 10:33 AM
powdercoater   Now that you will that killer rebuild, have you co...   Apr 19 2008, 10:25 AM
MrKona   Now that you will that killer rebuild, have you c...   Apr 19 2008, 10:52 AM
powdercoater   For the tin if you want to have it factory looking...   Apr 19 2008, 12:41 PM
MrKona   For the tin if you want to have it factory lookin...   Apr 19 2008, 01:50 PM
MrKona   It's been just over a month since I've pos...   May 23 2008, 06:32 PM
MrKona   More...   May 23 2008, 06:34 PM
MrKona   More...   May 23 2008, 06:34 PM
rhodyguy   bryan, powdercoating for the duct pieces, warm air...   May 23 2008, 10:22 PM
MrKona   bryan, powdercoating for the duct pieces, warm ai...   May 23 2008, 11:11 PM
Jake Raby   Even I am impressed with how sterile the engine is...   May 24 2008, 06:19 AM
MrKona   Even I am impressed with how sterile the engine i...   May 24 2008, 12:11 PM
MrKona   A little setback tonight, due to what looks design...   May 26 2008, 01:06 AM
MrKona   Problem solved... I had to remove the engine from ...   May 27 2008, 12:20 AM
MrKona   Tonight I experienced the thrill of victory, which...   May 27 2008, 12:27 AM
jmill   Great thread. Thanks for sharing. I'm planni...   May 27 2008, 02:04 PM
MrKona   Great thread. Thanks for sharing. I'm plann...   May 28 2008, 12:07 AM
Jake Raby   And I do go over that in detail, in my TIV engin...   May 28 2008, 06:23 AM
MrKona   And I do go over that in detail, in my TIV engi...   May 30 2008, 12:12 AM
purple   Nice thread....has me really wanting to build my o...   May 28 2008, 10:21 AM
MrKona   Nice thread....has me really wanting to build my ...   May 30 2008, 12:07 AM
Phoenix914   Your engine looks fantastic. Please keep us updat...   May 30 2008, 06:24 AM
MrKona   I have got to spend a few hours on the engine toda...   Jun 1 2008, 01:47 AM
MrKona   And on went the cylinders. It was easy to install ...   Jun 1 2008, 01:54 AM
MrKona   Pistons/Cylinders...   Jun 1 2008, 01:55 AM
MrKona   Next up was the installation of the cylinder heads...   Jun 1 2008, 02:06 AM
MrKona   Next was the pushrod tube installation. As everyon...   Jun 1 2008, 02:12 AM
MrKona   And that's all for tonight!   Jun 1 2008, 02:16 AM
SGB   looks great!   Jun 1 2008, 10:37 PM
MrKona   It's been awhile since I posted any progress. ...   Aug 4 2008, 02:03 AM
MrKona   More...   Aug 4 2008, 02:05 AM
MrKona   Last ones.   Aug 4 2008, 02:06 AM
MrKona   Valves installed and adjusted. I've come as fa...   Aug 6 2008, 08:34 PM
Rav914   Great thread. I've been following closely as ...   Aug 6 2008, 09:38 PM
MrKona   Gotta keep this thread alive... Just a tiny bit of...   Feb 7 2009, 01:27 AM
MrKona   Also blasted and painted the thermostat mount and ...   Feb 7 2009, 01:33 AM
type47   i enjoy reading your thread of the build up and as...   Feb 7 2009, 06:33 AM
MrKona   i enjoy reading your thread of the build up and a...   Feb 7 2009, 06:27 PM
FourBlades   Wow, your engine looks great. Your photos are so ...   Feb 7 2009, 10:12 PM
MrKona   Wow, your engine looks great. Your photos are so...   Dec 27 2009, 08:29 PM
bobhasissues   Can you show how to set the valve clearance? A...   Feb 26 2010, 08:48 PM
MrKona   The engine is off the stand and tin and FI compone...   Dec 27 2009, 08:01 PM
MrKona   Then the fan shroud and fan. You may want to temp...   Dec 27 2009, 08:03 PM
MrKona   Then I attached the cooling flaps and thermostat c...   Dec 27 2009, 08:11 PM
MrKona   And then the top tins! I had to remove the dis...   Dec 27 2009, 08:16 PM
MrKona   And this is where my momentum stopped... I acquire...   Dec 27 2009, 08:19 PM
MrKona   But they don't fit the intake housing! :a...   Dec 27 2009, 08:23 PM
Cevan   But they don't fit the intake housing! :...   Feb 26 2010, 01:35 PM
Thomas J Bliznik   But they don't fit the intake housing! ...   Feb 26 2010, 01:51 PM
Thomas J Bliznik   [quote name='Cevan' post='1279461' date='Feb 26 2...   Feb 26 2010, 03:10 PM
enikolayev   Regarding the oil galley plugs, before you tap the...   Jan 30 2010, 08:40 PM
MrKona   I'm back after having worked on "project ...   Mar 22 2010, 02:44 PM
MrKona   And one more of both runners installed.. http://w...   Mar 22 2010, 02:54 PM
MrKona   An update of the latest status of my engine rebuil...   Apr 18 2010, 10:28 PM
MrKona   A couple more shots of the engine before it goes i...   Apr 18 2010, 10:30 PM
Phoenix914   Your engine is a work of art, my friend. :headbang...   Apr 19 2010, 09:00 AM
rwilner   I am unearthing this thread for 2 reasons 1) this...   Sep 26 2011, 07:08 PM


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