What constitutes "restoration"?, Looks like the PCR's will put me in resto class next year Options

[Pat Garvey]

I would hardly call my '72 914 "restored".

Yes, most of the exterior panels were repainted - in 1979!

But, the PCR gurus tell me it's "restored". One says if it was repainted anywhere, it's restored. Another says "if 30% of the panels were repainted, it's restored". I just love this degree of decisiveness!

So, here's what was repainted - all exterior panels, except the engine lid (which was used to match the degree of orange peel). No, the engine bay was not painted, nor the undersides of the lids, nor any of the belly parts or trunks. Nor were the door jambs. The repaint was to original specs by a Mercedes shop in Cincinnati. In '79 they wanted no part of the car, but owed a favor to a buddy of mine. Did a wonderful job!

Beyond that, I've maintained the rest of the finishes of the car. Yep, I've replaced a bunch of parts through the years that needed it - I still call this maintenance. I've always used factory parts to maintain the car. I have a stockpile of factory parts to use as the years go buy, but they are maintenance parts.

So, instead of a black and white poll - tell me your thoughts on whether this car is resored or preserved. It'll help me make a decision in January.

All questions are considered fair, and will be answered. All comments are considered fair - I will accept all (except tire questions/comments).

Let's hear it!
Pat

ps: If you want pics, fine.

[tod914]

Beautiful car Pat, I would considered it restored being its been repainted at some point in time. As stated, only original once. Replacing aged components with NOS items to me would be acceptable like mufflers, hoses, etc. etc. but I'm certianly no authority on this. Doesn't matter what class you enter it in, as long your enjoying your hobby and haveing fun is the main thing. Which is exactly what you seem to be doing. You would think the guidelines would be standardized throughout the PCA. But it seems to vary from zone to zone and chaphter to chaphter.

[Pat Garvey]

Beautiful car Pat, I would considered it restored being its been repainted at some point in time. As stated, only original once. Replacing aged components with NOS items to me would be acceptable like mufflers, hoses, etc. etc. but I'm certianly no authority on this. Doesn't matter what class you enter it in, as long your enjoying your hobby and haveing fun is the main thing. Which is exactly what you seem to be doing. You would think the guidelines would be standardized throughout the PCA. But it seems to vary from zone to zone and chaphter to chaphter.

Yeah, there's quite a bit of difference, particularly at the regional level. But, that's OK with me. Playing the concours thing at a regional level should be more directed towards getting people to participate & try something new. At the national (and I believe the zone level also, but that's just me) it is hardcore, and should be. Yes, attracting participation is important, but at that level you're attempting to have your Porsche judged to be one of the very best. The judges go full tilt to do thier job. The participant should do likewise.

Lots of people use the Parade concours as a resume piece to sell thier car. Advertising your 914 (or, whatever model) as participating in the concours doesn't do much for its value. If you can advertise that you placed well, or won - the car gains some intrinsic value. I think it also has added value if you've participated & placed well in regional events too, but it takes more than one favorable result.

But, nothing does to value as much as the term "original", when it truely is.

Back to the topic at hand - I'm OK with "restored", if for no other reason because I can my belly judged. Looks like the tire issue will continue too - asked the wife for a gift card from Coker Tire for Xmas. She said "what are we talking about - $500?". I said nevermind - some new underwear will be just fine.

Pat

[Jasfsmith]

Back to the topic at hand - I'm OK with "restored", if for no other reason because I can my belly judged. Looks like the tire issue will continue too - asked the wife for a gift card from Coker Tire for Xmas. She said "what are we talking about - $500?". I said nevermind - some new underwear will be just fine.

Pat

Just so long as the underwear is vintage 165HR15. Four will be sufficient for the near future. Aye?

I guess I'll have to call Santa and make the case for the new underwear for you. When's the best time to call? <grin>

[Pat Garvey]

Back to the topic at hand - I'm OK with "restored", if for no other reason because I can my belly judged. Looks like the tire issue will continue too - asked the wife for a gift card from Coker Tire for Xmas. She said "what are we talking about - $500?". I said nevermind - some new underwear will be just fine.

Pat

Just so long as the underwear is vintage 165HR15. Four will be sufficient for the near future. Aye?

I guess I'll have to call Santa and make the case for the new underwear for you. When's the best time to call? <grin>

Well, see, the problem is that I am Santa. Whatever is spent, Santa has to pay for. And, Mrs. Santa is out of touch with the DEVIL OF TIRELAND - so she shouldn't even get close to the subject, or she will become knowledgeable and "shit a brick" about the cost for five tires. Better off letting Mrs. Santa get me underwear.

Pat