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> How did I miss this?, Shumi drives a taxi
effutuo101
post Jan 6 2008, 05:22 PM
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My wife brought this to my attention. I don't know how I could have missed it.
http://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/2...acher-taxi-dog/
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post Jan 9 2008, 08:27 AM
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Man, this is incredible.

Here's my opinion and my reasons. I believe Shumi was wrong and I think he was reckless. Undoubtedly, his skills mitigate this but, they don't relive him of responsibility.

First, he had no idea of the mechanical condition of the car. Granted his skill could allow him to drive out of some situations but, a mechanical failure would put his family at risk and possibly other drivers. Stuff happens, and it is more likely to happen at speed.

Second, he had no way to know how other drivers would react. On the track you can assume people will react in somewhat predictable ways. Even in spirited drives with other performance cars on the road you can assume a some skill. The cabbie said he passed in unusual places. Consider passing some old lady on the outside of a corner. I suspect she might gasp look to the outside and flinch that way. Maybe Shumi is gone by then but, what about the old lady's car handling skills in that situation.

Everyone will make up their own mind on this and what I think people base their decision is how much risk they percieve and how much risk they believe is acceptable. I think it was wrong because I think the risk was unnacceptable (my opinion) and wouldn't have done this . Decreasing risk is about reducing the what ifs. Look at all of the safety improvements to tracks and race cars. Look at credentialling of drivers. None of that was present here. Everyone will avoid the what will happen situations unless they are crazy, mad or stupid. This situation is full of what ifs and to me that makes me think it increased the risk of everyone involved directly including him, his family and the cabbie and those indirectly involved like other drivers and onlookers. I would have been pissed if I was on the road and I saw the cab. There is just no way I can see that it can be argued that this behavior didn't increase the risk of injury to someone. I think you can argue that the likelihood that a what if happens is reduced because of Shumi's skills but they still exist.

Now before I put myself on a pedestal, I have done foolish things in cars that have put others at risk and I will probably do more so, I'm no better than anyone else including Shumi. In this situation we also have the advantage of hindsight. I'll be critical but, i sure won't cast any stones. The good news is reading stuff like this might make some of us think a little bit more the next time.

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effutuo101   How did I miss this?   Jan 6 2008, 05:22 PM
Wilhelm   My wife brought this to my attention. I don't...   Jan 6 2008, 10:50 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   You think he was risking his families life? I doub...   Jan 6 2008, 10:56 PM
So.Cal.914   Now lets see, he's in Europe, in town, the tax...   Jan 6 2008, 11:29 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   People always think "Oh, they were going fast...   Jan 6 2008, 11:39 PM
Rob Ways   Inspiring tale.... nice to know the pros are riski...   Jan 6 2008, 11:47 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   Wow you guys sure do congure up some amazing assum...   Jan 6 2008, 11:57 PM
Rob Ways   Good point. I guess Indy is a technical road ral...   Jan 7 2008, 12:17 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   Good point. I guess Indy is a technical road ra...   Jan 7 2008, 12:48 AM
So.Cal.914   I did not see that in the story, you must be pri...   Jan 7 2008, 02:40 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   [/quote] So I'm not sure when I ever claimed...   Jan 7 2008, 05:02 PM
SirAndy   and to top it all off, here's what the german ...   Jan 7 2008, 03:13 PM
BKLA   and to top it all off, here's what the german...   Jan 7 2008, 08:46 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   [quote name='SirAndy' post='984063' date='Jan 7 2...   Jan 7 2008, 08:50 PM
johannes   Schumi will be in the next Asterix movie ... playi...   Jan 7 2008, 03:17 PM
SirAndy   Schumi will be in the next Asterix movie ... play...   Jan 7 2008, 03:25 PM
So.Cal.914   Your right Andy, all I am saying is that no matt...   Jan 7 2008, 03:53 PM
So.Cal.914   It happens. This belonged to a member here, thou...   Jan 7 2008, 05:28 PM
So.Cal.914   It happens. This belonged to a member here, tho...   Jan 8 2008, 03:11 AM
banger   Wow, what a hot topic this is. But what nobody se...   Jan 8 2008, 03:45 AM
crash914   also remember the taxi most likely was a BMW or Me...   Jan 7 2008, 05:31 PM
So.Cal.914   also remember the taxi most likely was a BMW or M...   Jan 7 2008, 05:39 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   Here is the article from the Berlin AP. Note it w...   Jan 7 2008, 07:17 PM
So.Cal.914   What a dick. This has to do with the fact that...   Jan 7 2008, 08:06 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   What a dick. Sweet So. Cal is calling me a dick...   Jan 7 2008, 08:49 PM
effutuo101   I grew up in California traffic and then a lot of ...   Jan 7 2008, 08:08 PM
So.Cal.914   Thats right, he could have killed the puppy too. ...   Jan 7 2008, 08:13 PM
So.Cal.914   And your a hypocrite too...   Jan 7 2008, 09:02 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   And your a hypocrite too... How is that bei...   Jan 7 2008, 09:17 PM
alpha434   It's argument "ad hominem." Where t...   Jan 7 2008, 09:35 PM
DonTraver   roflmao, just loving the self-righteousness I see ...   Jan 7 2008, 09:45 PM
So.Cal.914   Must be hard driving with your head up yours Don. ...   Jan 7 2008, 10:13 PM
SirAndy   its not his driving I am concerned about, its the...   Jan 7 2008, 10:51 PM
akellym   its not his driving I am concerned about, its th...   Jan 8 2008, 06:21 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   :deadhorse:   Jan 7 2008, 10:35 PM
championgt1   First of all he was always in total control of the...   Jan 7 2008, 10:37 PM
So.Cal.914   First of all he was always in total control of th...   Jan 8 2008, 12:34 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   I see the reason you are arguing so strongly for t...   Jan 8 2008, 01:00 AM
hwgunner   So some cabby who can't remember the rules of ...   Jan 8 2008, 01:12 AM
So.Cal.914   Ok, I'll buy that, which means the other 88%...   Jan 8 2008, 01:14 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   "I also know, from watching a program on disc...   Jan 8 2008, 01:23 AM
So.Cal.914   "I also know, from watching a program on dis...   Jan 8 2008, 01:40 AM
SirAndy   So how long were you there? 35 years ... with 19...   Jan 8 2008, 04:56 PM
So.Cal.914   So how long were you there? 35 years ... with 1...   Jan 8 2008, 05:49 PM
SirAndy   You may be right, the fastest I have driven mysel...   Jan 8 2008, 06:11 PM
Rusty   :popcorn:   Jan 8 2008, 01:34 AM
Rusty   However long he was there, I bet it was longer t...   Jan 8 2008, 01:43 AM
So.Cal.914   However long he was there, I bet it was longer ...   Jan 8 2008, 02:20 AM
johannes   However long he was there, I bet it was longer...   Jan 8 2008, 08:03 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   My brother lived there for three years. I have bee...   Jan 8 2008, 01:44 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   I never claimed to be an expert, but once again yo...   Jan 8 2008, 02:31 AM
So.Cal.914   Well you sure spew like you are, but after my re...   Jan 8 2008, 02:38 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   Is it odd that no one is taking your side, and you...   Jan 8 2008, 02:42 AM
Rusty   If Jenny were here, she'd post a picture like ...   Jan 8 2008, 02:45 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   :rotfl: That's funny.   Jan 8 2008, 02:50 AM
tdgray   :D   Jan 8 2008, 07:52 AM
jd74914   I think Johannes brings up a good point. Car densi...   Jan 8 2008, 09:22 AM
Rob Ways   This is really funny... It all got started becau...   Jan 8 2008, 02:56 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   :rotfl: This thread is still going :rotfl: I reall...   Jan 8 2008, 03:40 PM
hcdmueller   Most of you will probably think this is crazy but ...   Jan 8 2008, 04:31 PM
TINCAN914   Sheet my eyes hurt from reading all this. Where...   Jan 8 2008, 05:25 PM
So.Cal.914   Sheet my eyes hurt from reading all this. Where...   Jan 8 2008, 05:51 PM
TINCAN914   [quote name='TINCAN914' post='984458' date='Jan 8...   Jan 8 2008, 06:57 PM
effutuo101   [quote name='TINCAN914' post='984458' date='Jan 8...   Jan 8 2008, 06:13 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   So I just got home from being with some clients an...   Jan 8 2008, 07:29 PM
So.Cal.914   Yup, like my dog. I guess you are not familiar ...   Jan 8 2008, 09:12 PM
effutuo101   :rotfl: You have got to post that as your picture...   Jan 8 2008, 09:19 PM
So.Cal.914   Thanks, its alot of work, its nice to hear someone...   Jan 8 2008, 10:31 PM
TINCAN914   Thanks, its alot of work, its nice to hear someon...   Jan 9 2008, 06:47 AM
DNHunt   Man, this is incredible. Here's my opinion a...   Jan 9 2008, 08:27 AM
Challe   But a european diesel van can go really fast with ...   Jan 9 2008, 12:02 PM
effutuo101   :wub: Sabine Schmidt   Jan 9 2008, 12:33 PM
So.Cal.914   Me likes danika.   Jan 9 2008, 04:57 PM


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