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> Quiet intake box for webers R&D, For us wimps
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post Feb 20 2013, 08:09 PM
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Well, I'm working on getting the intake noise silenced, and certainly more quiet than it currently is on my car at the moment. Yes, I'm a wimp, and I get BS about it from my dad constantly.

Anyways, I've been throwing around the idea of somehow creating a common plenum style air filter box, similar to that of a 911 engine. Then came my physics class.. We're currently going in depth about standing sound waves, noise cancellation, and acoustics. Amongst this, the topic of Helmholtz resonators came up. Huh, well, that sounds familiar... "used to create destructive interference of standing waves in an internal combustion engine intake system"

The wonderful thing about Helmholtz resonators is that you are not sacrificing ANY air flow through the intake to silence the noise. The box is simply creating a resonating soundwaves with an exactly inverse wave that acts as active noise cancellation. Kinda like this:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/library.thinkquest.org-9714-1361412564.1.gif)

For those of you that are not familiar with these on new cars, a Helmholtz resonator is this odd looking box sticking out the side of the intake tube:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/images.monstermarketplace.com-9714-1361412564.2.jpg)

The plan right now is to create a common plenum with two pipes leading to a Smooth T in the middle, and then the center pipe having a helmholtz resonator attatched to it. There was also some discussion with my professor that the distance between the carb throats to the resonator might be too great for the sound waves to cancel effectively. The idea of having 2 separate resonators on each connecting pipe is also being considered.

I won't get into the calculations on all of this, for the size geometry, and design of the box, but If I can get this to work, and really silence the intake noise, I will be manufacturing, and selling these systems, for FAR less than the only other common plenum intake system (790 Euros)

This will show the development and design of this system for those that are interested.
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'73-914kid   Quiet intake box for webers R&D   Feb 20 2013, 08:09 PM
euro911   :popcorn:   Feb 20 2013, 08:36 PM
ruby914   Cool :popcorn:   Feb 20 2013, 08:43 PM
JmuRiz   Interesting project, I'd just go the easy rout...   Feb 20 2013, 08:58 PM
Black22   What you just posted is noise cancellation. If you...   Feb 20 2013, 09:38 PM
ThePaintedMan   Well, I'm working on getting the intake noise...   Feb 20 2013, 10:14 PM
r_towle   take a look at this. Very popular in Germany to co...   Feb 20 2013, 11:04 PM
'73-914kid   Thanks for all the support guys! That CSP int...   Feb 20 2013, 11:43 PM
'73-914kid   Well, came across some more information. Apperantl...   Feb 21 2013, 01:10 AM
dfelz   Im picking up a sound frequency meter from a frie...   Feb 21 2013, 05:09 AM
Mikey914   The science is correct, the problem is the applica...   Feb 21 2013, 02:59 AM
euro911   Just a thought, but wouldn't ducting some inta...   Feb 21 2013, 03:24 AM
DBCooper   Just a thought, but wouldn't ducting some int...   Feb 21 2013, 09:58 AM
r_towle   look for the parts you may need, or you can make t...   Feb 21 2013, 07:35 AM
dfelz   Ya foam molds are always a good cheep (depending o...   Feb 21 2013, 07:52 AM
r_towle   if you go the foam route, use the florest foam, th...   Feb 21 2013, 09:05 AM
brant   what about the goldwing air boxes that Ron invente...   Feb 21 2013, 10:12 AM
euro911   what about the goldwing air boxes that Ron invente...   Feb 21 2013, 03:00 PM
Elliot Cannon   :WTF: Seems like a lot of work to make a beutiful ...   Feb 21 2013, 10:16 AM
KELTY360   :WTF: Seems like a lot of work to make a beutiful...   Feb 21 2013, 10:35 AM
Elliot Cannon   :WTF: Seems like a lot of work to make a beutifu...   Feb 21 2013, 10:39 AM
Dave_Darling   My wife uses them when she sleeps. I'm not su...   Feb 21 2013, 10:04 PM
Elliot Cannon   My wife uses them when she sleeps. I'm not s...   Feb 22 2013, 12:57 AM
Randal   Well, I'm working on getting the intake noise...   Feb 21 2013, 10:25 AM
bam914   Just use mine. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/inde...   Feb 21 2013, 10:43 AM
7TPorsh   huh? WHAT?   Feb 21 2013, 11:07 AM
monkeyboy   Silly question... If you tune it for a certain fr...   Feb 21 2013, 01:21 PM
dfelz   Silly question... If you tune it for a certain f...   Feb 21 2013, 01:29 PM
monkeyboy   [quote name='monkeyboy' post='1823801' date='Feb ...   Feb 21 2013, 04:59 PM
rgolia   If you can make one that works at a reasonable cos...   Feb 21 2013, 02:08 PM
euro911   Do you have access to a portable spectrum analyzer...   Feb 21 2013, 02:57 PM
'73-914kid   For now, my phone has an app for spectrum analysis...   Feb 21 2013, 04:34 PM
Elliot Cannon   For now, my phone has an app for spectrum analysi...   Feb 22 2013, 12:59 AM
michael7810   Mark. Bring your GW air filters to Rt 66 if you. W...   Feb 21 2013, 05:07 PM
euro911   Hey Mike - I just went back to my ebay history ......   Feb 21 2013, 06:30 PM
FourBlades   There must be value in the intake resonators even ...   Feb 21 2013, 07:26 PM
Vacca Rabite   Or go back to a stock plenum and add EFI. or 912...   Feb 21 2013, 07:59 PM
FourBlades   I built a cheesy intake a year or so ago to see if...   Feb 21 2013, 08:06 PM
euro911   :popcorn:   Feb 21 2013, 08:34 PM
johnpierre   i love watching you all crack out on this stuff. ...   Feb 21 2013, 08:42 PM
Valy   Your idea works nice in 2 dimensions. When you go...   Feb 21 2013, 09:05 PM
euro911   I understand the inverted sine wave (negative nois...   Feb 21 2013, 10:36 PM
euro911   Any updates, Ethan? :popcorn:   Nov 9 2013, 11:27 PM
72hardtop   Would love to see something like this for the IDF...   Nov 11 2013, 01:21 PM
'73-914kid   Man, I totally forgot about this.. My ideas were...   Nov 11 2013, 06:58 PM
euro911   ... The only problem, is that I no longer have a c...   Nov 11 2013, 10:26 PM


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