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> Beat the Arizona Heat - My custom AC system build
AZBanks
post Jun 1 2021, 09:09 PM
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I've created a few threads with vague titles but I'm hoping the title of this thread is pretty clear.

There are places in Arizona where the summers are pretty nice. Those are the places up in the higher elevations of Arizona.

I don't live in one of those places. I live in Phoenix.

As you may have heard, Phoenix is hot in the summertime. Driving a car without AC in Phoenix in the summer time is pretty miserable. Car dealers don't sell cars without AC in Arizona. Satan keeps a winter home here because the summer are too hot.

OTOH, it's a dry heat and I never have to shovel it.


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The NARP is a 71 914 that started life with a 1.7 liter engine. I had a 1.8 liter engine sitting in the garage for my other 914 project and when the 1.7 got too aggressive in marking it's territory I decided to swap in the 1.8. I also swapped in an transmission I got from Oscar at the same time.

The 1.8 came with a boat anchor of a York AC compressor connected with a side mount on the passenger side of the engine. I removed that almost as soon as I got it home.

I picked up the 1.8 a couple years ago from Patrick Motorsports for a GREAT deal and James said it came out of a running car so I thought it was good to go...

I had never looked it over as well as I could have. I've known James for several years and trusted him and I still do. I never asked or looked at the engine to see about oil leaks. It really could have had a hole in the case and it still would have been a good deal so I don't want this to sound like a complaint about James or PMS because it is not.
I cleaned a LOT of crud off the 1.8, replaced the front crank seal, swapped the engine tins from the 1.7, and installed it and James was correct, it runs great.

It was still dripping some oil and I wanted to add an AC system so it is back out of the car less than 500 miles since it first went in.

I've tracked the oil leaks to a couple push rod tubes so all the push rod tubes are getting new seals.
Another reason I dropped the engine was to replace the shift input shaft seal on the transmission. It was the only seal I didn't replace last time I had it out of the car and of course, it just had to leak. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

It didn't help that I put Swepco oil in the trans before I installed it the first time. The good(Evil) Dr. set me straight so it is now running good old 90 weight Dino oil.

The transmission now has all new seals and is ready to go back in the car. The engine will have the new push rod tube seals and oil cooler seals to go with the new front crank seal I put in before the first install.

So there is the background on the engine and trans. Now it's time for the AC system.

This is a total experiment based on other AC threads here and on the bird and based on systems and guess-timats from other cars. I made some of my guess-timats based on parts and sizes from my 1990 944 S2 Cab. The cabin of the 94 is a bit smaller than the 944 cab so parts that can cool the 944 should be about the right size to cool the cabin of the 914.


As I said, the 1.8 liter engine came to me with an OLD York compressor. I did not want to use that massive HP hog. There was a decent pulley mounted behind the fan but it is also a heavy piece of steel.

I bought an original dealer installed style AC system a few years ago from some one either here or on the bird board(I don't remember which and it doesn't really matter at this point). I bought it mainly for the under-dash evaporator and the controls.


The NARP never had AC so it is not hacked up. It has 99 problems but ragged holes in the body and front trunk for AC aren't any of them.

The engine tin on the passenger side of the 1.8 is hacked up and bent up pretty bad. I should have taken pictures before I started cleaning it up. I am going to finish cleaning it up and paint it. I don't want to hack up the good tin that was on the 1.7. I'll save that and hack it up for my next project.
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With the advances in modern compressors, condensers, and fans I decided to try an installation with the condenser mounted to the underside of a GT style engine lid.


In addition to the original style under dash evaporator, I am using a Sanden sd5h11 6333 compressor. It is the modern equivalent of the SD507 and is designed to use R-134a. I will be mounting it to the passenger side of the engine with amount plate I got from Gilmore Enterprises out of Las Vegas. Their website (gilmore-enterprises.net) doesn't list parts for the 914 or any individual parts but Ed, the owner is super easy to deal with. I called him up, told him what I was looking for, and it was on the truck heading out to me later that day.

I picked a universal fit parallel flow 11" X 21" condenser and 2 high flow, low profile 10" fans and a drier with a trinary switch.

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AZBanks   Beat the Arizona Heat - My custom AC system build   Jun 1 2021, 09:09 PM
AZBanks   Working on the lid.   Jun 1 2021, 09:13 PM
AZBanks   I still have a bunch of hose and a bunch of fittin...   Jun 1 2021, 09:15 PM
SKL1   I guess I don't suffer quite as much in north ...   Jun 1 2021, 09:57 PM
bkrantz   I lived in Tucson for most of the 80s, and never h...   Jun 1 2021, 10:22 PM
AZBanks   I hear you about the "hack jobs". I coul...   Jun 2 2021, 12:14 AM
AZBanks   I will have a couple small holes in the body to ru...   Jun 2 2021, 12:18 AM
ClayPerrine   From experience, and from working with my father (...   Jun 2 2021, 05:52 AM
AZBanks   From experience, and from working with my father ...   Jun 2 2021, 09:43 AM
ClayPerrine   From experience, and from working with my father...   Jun 2 2021, 10:46 AM
AZBanks   [quote name='AZBanks' post='2920312' date='Jun 2 ...   Jun 2 2021, 01:05 PM
914_teener   From experience, and from working with my father ...   Jun 2 2021, 10:56 AM
Warren914   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jun 13 2021, 08:33 AM
ClayPerrine   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jun 13 2021, 09:52 AM
Coondog   Great post... :first:   Jun 2 2021, 07:43 AM
76-914   I wonder if the warm air of the condenser will aff...   Jun 2 2021, 08:54 AM
AZBanks   I wonder if the warm air of the condenser will af...   Jun 2 2021, 09:55 AM
slowrodent   AZBanks, Thanks much for initiating this thread. ...   Jun 2 2021, 10:15 AM
slowrodent   PS.. I had sized my condenser to be very similar t...   Jun 2 2021, 10:16 AM
Chris914n6   Use bulkhead fittings into the cab & thru shee...   Jun 2 2021, 10:36 AM
AZBanks   Use bulkhead fittings into the cab & thru she...   Jun 2 2021, 11:48 AM
ClayPerrine   With Betty's car, we were using the original d...   Jun 2 2021, 01:24 PM
914_teener   With Betty's car, we were using the original ...   Jun 2 2021, 02:14 PM
Chris914n6   With Betty's car, we were using the original ...   Jun 2 2021, 07:01 PM
914_teener   With Betty's car, we were using the original...   Jun 2 2021, 07:18 PM
914Toy   [quote name='Chris914n6' post='2920432' date='Jun...   Jun 2 2021, 07:42 PM
AZBanks   I'm no engineer and I didn't sleep at a Ho...   Jun 2 2021, 09:47 PM
914_teener   I'm no engineer and I didn't sleep at a H...   Jun 3 2021, 12:22 AM
AZBanks   :beer2: Another option is to move to Prescott...   Jun 3 2021, 12:49 AM
bbrock   I'm always happy to take advice from the 914w...   Jun 3 2021, 06:52 PM
76-914   Yes, the air flow direction is down. Those two lit...   Jun 2 2021, 10:35 PM
zipedadoo   Are you familiar with AAPAK? They are a big autom...   Jun 3 2021, 09:41 PM
AZBanks   Are you familiar with AAPAK? They are a big auto...   Jun 3 2021, 11:58 PM
type2man   Did Gilmore ship you the pulley and belt too? That...   Jun 7 2021, 08:33 PM
AZBanks   Did Gilmore ship you the pulley and belt too? Tha...   Jun 8 2021, 07:15 PM
AZBanks   RE: Beat the Arizona Heat - My custom AC system build   Jun 8 2021, 09:15 PM
AZBanks   Does anyone know what this is, It fell off the eng...   Jun 8 2021, 09:17 PM
nditiz1   Looks like the side cover plate from a distributor...   Jun 9 2021, 05:19 AM
Mark Henry   @Warren914 This is do-able. Just wish I knew be...   Jun 9 2021, 07:14 AM
Warren914   Any concerns with the engine lid? Where does rain ...   Jun 9 2021, 07:56 AM
ClayPerrine   Any concerns with the engine lid? Where does rain...   Jun 9 2021, 08:58 AM
Warren914   What type condenser are you planning? I've lo...   Jun 9 2021, 09:56 AM
AZBanks   What type condenser are you planning? I've l...   Jun 9 2021, 10:25 AM
Shivers   This may become a must do for me. I don't tole...   Jun 9 2021, 10:40 AM
AZBanks   Making progress.   Jun 15 2021, 05:44 PM
AZBanks   Grillin' time!   Jun 15 2021, 05:44 PM
AZBanks   Testing the mount.   Jun 15 2021, 05:46 PM
AZBanks   There is a lot more metal missing than I would lik...   Jun 15 2021, 05:49 PM
AZBanks   After media blasting and a coat of primer.   Jun 15 2021, 05:50 PM
AZBanks   Put a lid on it!   Jun 15 2021, 05:52 PM
AZBanks   Getting close. I just need some additional spacer...   Jun 15 2021, 05:58 PM
Warren914   I really like what you're doing and have high ...   Jun 15 2021, 06:26 PM
Mark Henry   Cool watching someone else do it before I have a g...   Jun 15 2021, 07:16 PM
AZBanks   Cool watching someone else do it before I have a ...   Jun 16 2021, 04:52 PM
djway   The compressor mount can be modified for the compr...   Jun 15 2021, 11:48 PM
76-914   Thinking out loud here but I'm wondering about...   Jun 16 2021, 06:30 PM
914forme   Kent, fans are always better at pulling air, than ...   Jun 16 2021, 08:41 PM
76-914   Kent, fans are always better at pulling air, than...   Jun 17 2021, 02:01 PM
914Toy   I share Kent’s point. AC needs plenty of efficie...   Jun 16 2021, 09:09 PM
AZBanks   I share Kent’s point. AC needs plenty of effici...   Jun 17 2021, 01:42 PM
Chris914n6   I share Kent’s point. AC needs plenty of effic...   Jun 17 2021, 04:34 PM
914e   @azbanks This might help you avoid drilling holes...   Jun 17 2021, 08:56 PM
Mark Henry   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jun 18 2021, 09:08 AM
AZBanks   This is the wiring diagram and info I am working f...   Jun 18 2021, 05:48 PM
Chris914n6   This is the wiring diagram and info I am working ...   Jun 18 2021, 08:49 PM
michael7810   This is the wiring diagram and info I am working ...   Jun 18 2021, 10:05 PM
AZBanks   I have space to go up to a 12" X 26" con...   Jun 21 2021, 11:51 AM
AZBanks   Side view. I had to add the 1" square alumin...   Jun 21 2021, 11:56 AM
AZBanks   I was very worried about the compressor hitting th...   Jun 21 2021, 11:59 AM
AZBanks   Here is the lid closed with all hoses connected. ...   Jun 21 2021, 12:02 PM
AZBanks   Here is the lid open with the hoses routed. The bi...   Jun 21 2021, 12:09 PM
AZBanks   Here is the compressor with the lines connected. I...   Jun 21 2021, 12:13 PM
djway   I wish you cool wind   Jun 21 2021, 09:42 PM
Warren914   I've ordered a 12x24 condenser from Vintage Ai...   Jun 22 2021, 06:10 AM
Warren914   This looks useful. I'll be reading through to ...   Jun 22 2021, 07:16 AM
Warren914   Have you had the system running yet? How is it pe...   Jul 21 2021, 06:32 PM
Warren914   How did you route refrigerant lines from the engin...   Oct 4 2021, 07:10 AM
76-914   Assuming you've completed the install, how did...   May 12 2022, 09:08 AM


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