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> To disable cooling flaps or not, The endless debate
Superhawk996
post Jun 7 2026, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Jun 5 2026, 11:33 AM) *

QUOTE(930cabman @ Jun 5 2026, 11:07 AM) *

ditch the stat.

Cabman - love ya to death but please stop propagating the ditch the thermostat advice.

The flaps and thermostat are there for a reason.

The majority of engine wear occurs during the warmup phase of operation this is true of all engines and is backed by decades of SAE research and documentation.

Disabling flaps and delaying warmup results in accelerated wear.

Even worse, air cooled engines depend on expansion of the heads to increase clamp load between the cylinder and the head as the engine heats up. Delaying warmup results in more likelihood of blowby between the head and cylinder and between the cylinder and the case.

And even worse yet on a carbureted car where the delayed warmup reduces fuel atomization, and increases cylinder wash down - really accelerating wear and diluting oil.

I’ve read all the anecdotal stuff of “my engine is fine”. You may think so but the reality is you are only looking at a tiny snapshot in time of the engine life and wear. As a hobbyist, you likely won’t ever have the opportunity to compare engine life of engine A that ran properly vs engine B that has the flaps disabled.

And I’ll concede that because a hobby car only gets driven infrequently - that partially negates the wear argument(s).

But let’s not keep propagating the shade tree mindset that the thermostat & flaps aren’t necessary for proper operation and longevity of T4 engines.

Once he’s in there deep enough to identify the cause, it should be fixed properly not jury rigged.
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Superhawk996   To disable cooling flaps or not   Jun 7 2026, 04:45 PM
Superhawk996   [quote name='930cabman' post='3260332' date='Jun ...   Jun 7 2026, 04:46 PM
Superhawk996   Having results for the OP is the goal, in my opin...   Jun 7 2026, 04:47 PM
Superhawk996   @930cabman Here’s the thing. The defroster pe...   Jun 7 2026, 04:55 PM
930cabman   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jun 7 2026, 06:08 PM
JamesM   I think you both have points that are valid to som...   Jun 7 2026, 06:48 PM
Superhawk996   BUT given most 914 owners are not driving in cond...   Jun 7 2026, 08:09 PM
JamesM   Would anyone here simply take the thermostat out...   Jun 7 2026, 11:41 PM
Superhawk996   the 914 thermostat is a lot more impacted by amb...   Jun 8 2026, 07:15 AM
era vulgaris   the 914 thermostat is a lot more impacted by am...   Jun 8 2026, 08:22 AM
JamesM   I still 100% agree that all of these parts need ...   Jun 8 2026, 09:03 AM
Superhawk996   Again though, no one should intentionally remove...   Jun 8 2026, 07:16 AM
Superhawk996   Is the consensus his overheating is due to closed...   Jun 7 2026, 10:19 PM
emerygt350   It's such a simple and clever device, why not ...   Jun 7 2026, 05:04 PM
Jack Standz   To Ron's issue, I was hopeful the tin could b...   Jun 7 2026, 07:43 PM
Jack Standz   Thermostats were left off 914s and type iv motors ...   Jun 8 2026, 02:44 AM
Superhawk996   So, is it better to have an UNSAFE T-stat, a bro...   Jun 8 2026, 07:23 AM
JamesM   [quote name='Jack Standz' post='3260436' date='Ju...   Jun 8 2026, 07:36 AM
Superhawk996   by failsafe Bug thermostat I assume you are refe...   Jun 8 2026, 08:10 AM
Superhawk996   It seems to me that you guys haven’t yet come to...   Jun 8 2026, 07:27 AM
JamesM   It seems to me that you guys haven’t yet come t...   Jun 8 2026, 08:50 AM
Superhawk996   I want to say I appreciate all the civil discussio...   Jun 8 2026, 09:49 AM
930cabman   I want to say I appreciate all the civil discussi...   Jun 8 2026, 10:15 AM
JamesM   I want to say I appreciate all the civil discussi...   Jun 8 2026, 03:48 PM
Superhawk996   It would be cool to have the data, I am a data ...   Jun 9 2026, 11:30 AM
JamesM   You may appreciate this data which is represent...   Jun 9 2026, 04:00 PM
wonkipop   You may appreciate this data which is represen...   Jun 9 2026, 04:23 PM
Superhawk996   wondering if there are things I can implement to ...   Jun 9 2026, 06:32 PM
JamesM   wondering if there are things I can implement to...   Jun 10 2026, 08:12 AM
Superhawk996   its an interesting problem to think about. Inde...   Jun 10 2026, 12:53 PM
JamesM   its an interesting problem to think about. Ind...   Jun 11 2026, 02:27 PM
Superhawk996   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3260817' date='J...   Jun 11 2026, 05:21 PM
Nogoodwithusernames   What does your tune look like? I followed John Con...   Jun 11 2026, 11:03 AM
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Jack Standz   You must realize that the cylinders in a type iv m...   Jun 8 2026, 03:27 PM
porschetub   I did a slight mod to the factory mounting bracket...   Jun 8 2026, 09:41 PM
emerygt350   Here are some data points on flap activity. Drove...   Jun 9 2026, 10:20 AM
Superhawk996   Here are some data points on flap activity. :t...   Jun 9 2026, 11:40 AM
JamesM   Here are some data points on flap activity. :...   Jun 9 2026, 04:19 PM
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