914-6: Differences from year to year, Updated! Summarized in first post. Options

[ericread]

Sorry, in my earlier post I failed to include the link to Jeff Bowlby's site: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

http://members.rennlist.com/914_collectibles/

Take a look at the factory optional accessories page. It lists these by model year.

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Its all about the fours that does us no good because we want to know about the sixs ..but thanks anyway (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)

Oops! Sorry - but the "Marketing Brochures" section includes both /4s and /6s.

Eric

[Lavanaut]

apparently, you didn't look very hard ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


it's an ongoing thread and it's currently on top of the page in the Originality and History" forum.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=74301

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Andy

Andy, take a look at the post above yours. I linked to that thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

That's a /4 vs. /6 list....is it not?

so, after having had the pleasure to drive this beautiful, unmolested, all original, 37k miles 914-6 today, i can't help but wonder if we should attempt to list all the differences between an early /6 and early /4 in terms of originality.

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[SirAndy]

That's a /4 vs. /6 list....is it not?

it sure is, it's got info on all the things different between a /4 and /6, which in turn gives you an idea of what to look for in differences between early and late /6 cars ...
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the /6 cars were much less prone to production changes over their 3 year lifespan than the /4 cars.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) Andy

[Lavanaut]

it sure is, it's got info on all the things different between a /4 and /6, which in turn gives you an idea of what to look for in differences between early and late /6 cars ...
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It doesn't read that way to me...at least, not in a very straightforward fashion. I think that I could glean some good information from that thread to add to a list of differences between the /6s from year to year, but I feel like a thread dedicated to that topic would be useful on its own. It seems you disagree...that's cool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[SirAndy]

It seems you disagree...

nope ... just trying to give you some pointers.

It seems you like to lean back and let others do the work ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Andy

[davep]

Early cars had a finished cowl to fender seam, no black rubber filler strip.

i don't think that's true for any of the production cars. i have seen that on some of the prototypes, but never on a production car ...

George is correct. Quoting from the factory bulletin: effective from 4702900444 and 9140430052 fender beadings are inserted between the fender and cowl
So this is not a difference between 914/4 and 914/6, only an early vs late instance.

[Lavanaut]

It seems you like to lean back and let others do the work ...

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1. I spent time searching for what I was looking for, but didn't find it
2. I explored the Originality forum and found your thread, it wasn't quite what I was looking for, so I posted there asking if there was an existing list somewhere.
3. I posted the same question (this thread) in the garage because I know there's a lot more traffic here. My question?

Does a thread like this already exist? I did check in the "Originality and History" forum, but didn't find it there.

How do you perceive that as me leaning back and having others do the work?

Did I manage to piss you off somehow? By pointing out that I had already linked to your thread, or...? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I'm pretty new to these cars, but I contribute in any way I can when I feel I have something useful to contribute. Otherwise, like a lot of people here, I ask for assistance. I thought that was what this place was all about ~ helping others out.

I still feel a thread addressing the differences in the Sixes from year to year would be helpful. Maybe even a table or something similar. If you feel that folks contributing to that task (myself included, where I can) is me leaning back and letting other people do the work...well, well hell I just don't know what to say to that.

Thanks for putting togther that thread in the Originality forum. I thought it was a good one, which is why I linked to it.

Reid

[Lavanaut]

Thanks Dave. For the record, when talking about Sixes what qualifies as "early" vs. "late"?

edit: Ha, I guess the real question is, which category do the '71s fall into? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[SirAndy]

George is correct. Quoting from the factory bulletin: effective from 4702900444 and 9140430052 fender beadings are inserted between the fender and cowl
So this is not a difference between 914/4 and 914/6, only an early vs late instance.

i dis-agree. i think george referred to the few prototype cars that did not have the seam at all.

the early production cars came without the black rubber beading, but they still had the seam between the fender and the cowl area.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy

prototype 914.114 without the fender/cowl seam:

[SirAndy]

Did I manage to piss you off somehow?

jeeze, stepped out of the bed on the wrong foot this morning ???

lighten up. you hit me on the head with the chair first. remember? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

i was simply pointing you to a thread that i believe has some answers to your question. you responded that you didn't feel like extracting answers from that thread. fine with me.

i was just poking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) at what seemed like a "i'm too lazy to weed out info from that thread" attitude.

don't read anything into this that wasn't there ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) a Andy

[Lavanaut]

Fair enough.

My intention was (is) to extract those answers from your thread, plus any that might make it into this one, and create a list similar to the one in your thread in the Originality forum. I stated that earlier, but I must not have been clear about it.

For what it's worth, wife's out of town so I'm doing the single daddy thing...and no, I didn't get enough sleep last night. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yawn.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) back atcha...

Reid

[Heeltoe914]

There's some misinformation here. Check your facts before posting.
70-71 had non-retractable seatbelts.
70-71 had non moveable passenger seat.
70-71 had 911 style ignition switch.
All 914's had the seam at the fender/cowl.
72 914/6 was pretty much a /4 with a 6/ motor & suspension on it.
70-71 had a different rear bumper. The lic plate area edges have sharp corners.

Almost all correct:
72 914/6 was pretty much a /4 with a 6/ motor & suspension on it.

This is not true as I seem to understand it 72 914 6s are no more than left over 71s that did not sale.
Thier is no motor mount under the longs for the bar that is used on the 4s the 6s where mounted to the firewall.
look for oil tank in the Driverside fender.
All 6s had 5 lugs. from the factory.
The hood badge you see on some 6s was added by the dealer more so than by the factory.

[SirAndy]

as I seem to understand it 72 914 6s are no more than left over 71s that did not sale.

not quite. '72 /6s have the /4 steering column and the /4 main wire harness. there was an adapter to the /6 relay board on those cars.

and at least one of the 916s (which basically were '72 914/6) was build on a modified /4 chassis ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy

[Pat Garvey]

Does a thread like this already exist? I did check in the "Originality and History" forum, but didn't find it there.

Thanks

edit: I couldn't search for '914-6' at all. Had no matches with any of: 914-6, "914-6", 914/6, "914/6", +"914-6", etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

In a pleasant break from my usual cantankerous responses to questions like this, I would say - why didn't you post this question on the originality forum? No expletives, I'm being calm here.

Seriously, the originaliy forum is there for a purpose. We want all the six info we can get. It IS NOT a forum for 914-4's.

A number of times, I've asked for more sixer info. Got some, but not enough - why?

If we're going to split this up into factions, we'll all lose.

You should have posted your questions there, not here.
Pat

[PeeGreen 914]

Does a thread like this already exist? I did check in the "Originality and History" forum, but didn't find it there.

Thanks

edit: I couldn't search for '914-6' at all. Had no matches with any of: 914-6, "914-6", 914/6, "914/6", +"914-6", etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

In a pleasant break from my usual cantankerous responses to questions like this, I would say - why didn't you post this question on the originality forum? No expletives, I'm being calm here.

Seriously, the originaliy forum is there for a purpose. We want all the six info we can get. It IS NOT a forum for 914-4's.

A number of times, I've asked for more sixer info. Got some, but not enough - why?

If we're going to split this up into factions, we'll all lose.

You should have posted your questions there, not here.
Pat

Yeah, but more people see it here. I don't wander into the CW area very often and I know there are many others that do the same.

[ericread]

Boy, I was in a really shitty mood today. Bad headache, ear pain, the works. Then I started to read this thread. Makes me seem like I'm the nicest guy in the world today!!! Just reading about all the bitchin' seems to put me in a really good mood! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

So Andy, what's up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Your responses lately seem to indicate you've had the crap beat out of you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) We're your friends. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grouphug.gif) Maybe to you, we're your slow-witted, idiot, in-bred friends, but we're still your friends. I, for one, tend to hi-jack threads, ask inappropriate questions and post in the wrong location sometimes. But knowing I'm your dim-witted friend, you have always tactfully led me back on the rightous path.

I'm not saying that Lavanaut is dim-witted, an idiot or the result of in-breeding, I'll let you make your own conclusions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) But remember, we're all a bit newer to this forum than you are. Please continue to guide us along without using all of your heavy ammo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif)

Damn, now I feel so good I could just shit!!!

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[carr914]

Jeez, you old timers need to lighten up. Reid asked a real question through a new thread, didn't bash anybody, starts getting feedback and you tell him to lean back and let others do the work. WTF? Nice way to welcome any other new guys here!

T.C.

[Lavanaut]

You should have posted your questions there, not here.
Pat

I did Pat. I just didn't start a new thread....see? Instead I opted to post my question in the garage, because this is where the most eyeballs are (hell you didn't even see it over in the CW forum (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ). But hey! Feel free to move it to your forum if it makes you feel better! You may be right that that's where the topic ultimately belongs (and that's the first place I searched, by the way).

Anyone else out there wanna break my balls for starting this topic? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif)

[Lavanaut]

So if I'm not mistaken, the interior of the '70 Sixes were a flavor of basketweave (the door panels, seat inserts, etc.) and the '71s and '72s had the leather look, smooth finish. Is this correct?

[PeeGreen 914]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) I'll bust your balls (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

Well, not really. You could drive up here and kick my ass (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

You going to come up to the WCR?