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| Project 6 |
 Aug 18 2009, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE(faux916 @ Aug 18 2009, 08:26 PM)  QUOTE(sbonthemesa @ Aug 18 2009, 05:33 PM) Are you trying to tell us something Z? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ? |
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| nomore9one4 |
Aug 18 2009, 11:31 PM
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Member of the Eastcoast Thread Killers Club Group: Members Posts: 2,666 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Pittsburgh,Pa.15237 Member No.: 14 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Project 6 @ Aug 18 2009, 08:45 PM) QUOTE(faux916 @ Aug 18 2009, 08:26 PM) QUOTE(sbonthemesa @ Aug 18 2009, 05:33 PM) Are you trying to tell us something Z? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ? I guess we shall soon find out! It should get very interesting,but in a good way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 18 2009, 11:37 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Whatcha talkin' 'bout, Willis? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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| nomore9one4 |
Aug 18 2009, 11:45 PM
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Member of the Eastcoast Thread Killers Club Group: Members Posts: 2,666 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Pittsburgh,Pa.15237 Member No.: 14 Region Association: None |
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| SirAndy |
Aug 19 2009, 01:09 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 42,469 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(ghuff @ Aug 18 2009, 06:46 PM) I deal with real enterprise hardware and systems daily. Despite what your inflated ego tells you, you're not the only one in this line of work ... And some of us are not quite as narrow minded ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| blitZ |
Aug 19 2009, 06:21 AM
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Beer please... Group: Members Posts: 2,223 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Lawrenceville, GA Member No.: 4,719 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Aug 19 2009, 03:09 AM) QUOTE(ghuff @ Aug 18 2009, 06:46 PM) I deal with real enterprise hardware and systems daily. Despite what your inflated ego tells you, you're not the only one in this line of work ... And some of us are not quite as narrow minded ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Ditto. I have nothing against Linux, UNIX and Solaris as I have worked with them in the past. However, Windows Server OS and associated applications work fine for a large enterprise solution. I consulted for UPS for several years. Windows, MS SQL, Oracle and terabytes and terabytes of data. |
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| ClayPerrine |
Aug 19 2009, 06:57 AM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 16,542 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille 
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QUOTE(ghuff @ Aug 18 2009, 09:46 PM) You are welcome to stop by the basement and see the real computers doing real work sometime Gary, You have been drinking WAY too much of the "Linux is God" kool-aid. Take a step back and chill. I spent 5 years working for Microsoft, and that did not make me an anti-linux bigot, it just made me appreciate the way Microsoft patches their code. The linux guys out there who claim "millions of bugs in Windows, and they don't get patched fast enough" are smoking crack. Software is written by humans, and humans make mistakes. There are plenty of Linux exploits out in the wild, and some have not been patched in years! Reference. So software will have bugs, ALL SOFTWARE! One OS is not inherently more stable, or more robust, or more bug free than another... it comes down to what the IT manager/director/CIO decides is best to use, and the knowledge of the Systems Engineer who sets up the System. Some companies use Windows, Some Unix/Linux and some a mix. Frankly, the best places I have worked in the past use a mix, as it is what fits BEST for that application. I use a sendmail and spamassassin running on SUSE as my email front end here at the house, with an Exchange 2003 server as the back end. That system works well for me. My last IT job was for a fortune 100 company, and they ran Windows EXCLUSIVELY. Dell Servers with EMC Clarion SAN back end, and close to a million Terabytes of data. Uptime was 99.9994% for a worldwide Active Directory environment, with over half a million users. Here Andy is the CIO, and he gets to make the decisions on what OS to run. He chose Windows, and it works. In your environment, your company chose Solaris, and it works for you. And just a point of reference, Solaris is a proprietary form of UNIX, it is NOT Linux. Big difference. Bottom line, I don't want a subaru motor or a V-8 in my 914, but I don't bash the guys who do. I admire the workmanship. Bashing the car of the guy who is giving you the ride is not a good idea. It can end with you walking. The same goes in the OS arena. Don't be a linux bigot and start blindly bashing this BBS because it runs on Windows, just accept that you have a difference of opinion about this and move on. |
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| Richard Casto |
Aug 19 2009, 07:27 AM
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Blue Sky Motorsports, LLC Group: Members Posts: 1,465 Joined: 2-August 05 From: Durham, NC Member No.: 4,523 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(ghuff @ Aug 18 2009, 10:46 PM) Sorry, Enterprise and Win32 x86 hardware do not go together. QUOTE(ghuff @ Aug 18 2009, 10:46 PM) Any other enterprise class real deal database and environment? UNIX 100%. Makes the world go around. I am an Enterprise Architect for a company that would prefer I not name it here. Our system is used globally by Fortune 500 companies. It is hosted on a mixture of Linux and Windows Servers. Windows Server works just fine in the Enterprise and that includes running applications that traditionally are hosted on Linux. My observation is that those who choose to look at this as a religious discussion can be quite blinded to reality and frankly it’s a disservice to their employer. And just so you don’t think I am anti-Unix/Linux, I started at this over 20 years ago as a System V and HP-UX admin. I have nothing against Unix or Linux. I am the guy with the grey beard. What I think has a MUCH bigger factor than OS selection in ensuring a stable and performant system is making sure you have a staff (developers, engineers, etc.) who knows what they are doing. |
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 19 2009, 08:29 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
If you can plug it in, walk away and it works....it's fine.
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| Gint |
Aug 19 2009, 08:34 AM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,106 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I'm not even getting in the middle of this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Except to leverage on something Clay said. OS's are like cars. They serve the same basic purpose, but they aren't all the same, they don't all operate the same. When I'm asked which car or OS is right for someone, my answer always starts out... "it depends".
And I work for a fortune 500 company at one of the fortune 500 companies listed in this thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I'm not saying which ones either, but it's damn funny. |
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| ericread |
Aug 19 2009, 09:12 AM
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The Viper Blue 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(Richard Casto @ Aug 19 2009, 06:27 AM) QUOTE(ghuff @ Aug 18 2009, 10:46 PM) Sorry, Enterprise and Win32 x86 hardware do not go together. QUOTE(ghuff @ Aug 18 2009, 10:46 PM) Any other enterprise class real deal database and environment? UNIX 100%. Makes the world go around. I am an Enterprise Architect for a company that would prefer I not name it here. Our system is used globally by Fortune 500 companies. It is hosted on a mixture of Linux and Windows Servers. Windows Server works just fine in the Enterprise and that includes running applications that traditionally are hosted on Linux. My observation is that those who choose to look at this as a religious discussion can be quite blinded to reality and frankly it’s a disservice to their employer. And just so you don’t think I am anti-Unix/Linux, I started at this over 20 years ago as a System V and HP-UX admin. I have nothing against Unix or Linux. I am the guy with the grey beard. What I think has a MUCH bigger factor than OS selection in ensuring a stable and performant system is making sure you have a staff (developers, engineers, etc.) who knows what they are doing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) As an internal IT audit director for a Fortune 50 company, we have several mainframes, about 75 UNIX clusters, a few VMS clusters and hundreds of Windows servers. We provide services to a LARGE number of internal and external users. The Windows servers have become very reliable in an enterpise environment, if they are cared for properly. Obviously, the Windows servers wouldn't be up for the millions of transactions per day our mainframes perform, but as long as the platform is architected (made-up word?) properly, they certainly work well in our enterprise environment. Since the hardware refresh, Andy has demonstrated and justified his decision to host on a Windows server. This site has become very reliable, and I for one want to thank Andy for all his time in getting this right and in maintaining this system. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Eric Read |
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| zymurgist |
Aug 19 2009, 09:33 AM
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"Ace" Mechanic Group: Members Posts: 7,411 Joined: 9-June 05 From: Hagerstown, MD Member No.: 4,238 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(ericread @ Aug 19 2009, 11:12 AM) Since the hardware refresh, Andy has demonstrated and justified his decision to host on a Windows server. This site has become very reliable, and I for one want to thank Andy for all his time in getting this right and in maintaining this system. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| sbonthemesa |
Aug 19 2009, 09:35 AM
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Semi-Lurker Group: Members Posts: 35 Joined: 30-September 05 From: the mesa Member No.: 4,895 Region Association: None |
Has anyone considered that Bradhole is simply stirring up drama to increase traffic and overall just being a Dick? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif)
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| tat2dphreak |
Aug 19 2009, 10:10 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(sbonthemesa @ Aug 19 2009, 10:35 AM) Has anyone considered that Bradhole is simply stirring up drama to increase traffic and overall just being a Dick? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) [sarcasm] no! that thought never would cross ANY of our minds! everyone is a saint including Brad! how dare you! [/sarcasm] (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) j/k I have no problem with Brad,I like the guy! I like *almost* everyone. and brad is still a very helpful person, imho... which is why "one roof" would be nice again(though if it's going to cause drama, it's not worth it), but I do think some of this was meant to drum up business... and it worked. |
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| Richard Casto |
Aug 19 2009, 11:27 AM
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Blue Sky Motorsports, LLC Group: Members Posts: 1,465 Joined: 2-August 05 From: Durham, NC Member No.: 4,523 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(sbonthemesa @ Aug 19 2009, 11:35 AM) Has anyone considered that Bradhole is simply stirring up drama to increase traffic and overall just being a Dick? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) The real question is what does Brad think of Windows vs. Linux. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) |
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| DanT |
Aug 19 2009, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(sbonthemesa @ Aug 19 2009, 08:35 AM) Has anyone considered that Bradhole is simply stirring up drama to increase traffic and overall just being a Dick? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) If this is the best you can do, then go back to lurking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) |
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| montoya 73 2.0 |
Aug 19 2009, 11:56 AM
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Lack of consideration to others, and Selfish! Group: Members Posts: 1,791 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Paso Robles, Ca. Member No.: 3,016 Region Association: Central California |
This turned into a nerd fight (no offense intended)? Come on guys, put down the pocket protectors and shake hands. Were a happy dysfunctional family!
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| SLITS |
Aug 19 2009, 12:14 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
I'll take a large order of muffler bearings and one Johnson Rod to go please. No Ketchup, extra onions please.
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| Chris Hamilton |
Aug 19 2009, 12:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 7-March 06 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 5,687 |
QUOTE(Richard Casto @ Aug 19 2009, 10:27 AM) The real question is what does Brad think of Windows vs. Linux. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| SLITS |
Aug 19 2009, 01:09 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Chris Hamilton @ Aug 19 2009, 11:33 AM) QUOTE(Richard Casto @ Aug 19 2009, 10:27 AM) The real question is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Revision #1 |
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