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> Completely OT, Anyone know anything about snakes?
ClayPerrine
post Oct 22 2009, 12:03 PM
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This guy decided to take up residence on our front porch last night. Scared the hell out of Betty when she came home.

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I know nothing about snakes... does anyone here know what kind of snake this is? Should we call animal control to get him removed, or is he harmless?

If he is dangerous, I don't want the local cats or dogs to get bit.

It is in the 60s here, so he is not moving too well. But I am still worried.
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:07 PM
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It looks like a gopher snake!

If it has rattles on the tale it is obviously a rattle snake. The diamonds along the back are suspect for the Diamond Back Rattler!
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:09 PM
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I have not been able to see the tail. Too dark last night, and he has it curled under him today.

Is a gopher snake dangerous?
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:09 PM
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rattle snakes have more pronounced cheeks.
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:10 PM
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...where the venom glands reside
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:10 PM
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Is a gopher snake dangerous?

no, and I do think that's what it is.

he will eat mice and things, cats are safe, leave him be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullsnake

the DO make a noise like a rattler tho. to ward off predators
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:11 PM
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Gopher snakes are harmless! If it has the rattles don't touch it!
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE(Jeffs9146 @ Oct 22 2009, 01:11 PM) *

Gopher snakes are harmless! If it has the rattles don't touch it!



I am not completely clueless... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Will it keep rodents down around my house?
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rattle snakes have more pronounced cheeks


I agree!
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:14 PM
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Yes you want to keep the gopher snake in your yard! They will eat the mice and gophers!
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:16 PM
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kinda hard to tell from the pick, but his nose and head look kinda rounded. Rattler would have more of a sharp nose.
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:17 PM
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Thanks everyone. I will leave him alone.
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:22 PM
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It is hard to tell from that pic. Can you reach down there and remove the leaves so I can see all of him? While you're at it get a hold of his tail and pull it out so we can see if it has rattles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(Millerwelds @ Oct 22 2009, 01:22 PM) *

It is hard to tell from that pic. Can you reach down there and remove the leaves so I can see all of him? While you're at it get a hold of his tail and pull it out so we can see if it has rattles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)



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post Oct 22 2009, 12:32 PM
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I've had rat snakes and burmese pythons... he looks friendly enough (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:33 PM
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He is just cold. I am going to leave him alone. Maybe it will warm up slightly and he will leave.
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:41 PM
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He got caught out trying to get a meal and now the norther has come in so he will go home. Rattlers have a much larger head.
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:47 PM
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I agree with the head. Usually a rattler will let you know if your too close. Close enough for that pic and he would be rattlin. I have stepped right over the top of one at work. They will almost always get your attention. The larger ones like that (if it were a RS) usually won't inject venom on something as big as a human. The little ones will though (not smart enough to control there venom yet). And we can't kill them at work. Guess the dam eco fuchs figure they are worth more than the employees!
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post Oct 22 2009, 01:00 PM
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I have never heard of a rattler not injecting venom unless he has just depleated it on another strike. I hope no one tests your theory about not injecting humans.
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QUOTE(charliew @ Oct 22 2009, 11:00 AM) *

I have never heard of a rattler not injecting venom unless he has just depleated it on another strike. I hope no one tests your theory about not injecting humans.

It's essentially true... a mature rattler will tend to not expend as much venom in a defensive bite... it knows it can't eat you, so it just wants you to go away. Still not worth the risk, though.... it is likely that there will be some amount of venom.

That snake is definitely non-venomous, and almost certainly a bullsnake/gopher snake. Bullsnakes can be aggressive, and can bite, and the bite can get infected. If there are kids or pets around, I'd want it removed.
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