a 912 e question about smogin california Options

[Joe Bob]

AND you have to do that dance every two years. You can thank Arnold for signing the law that repealed the rolling 30 year exemption.

THIS from a guy that registered his military Hummer in Oregon.

[Cap'n Krusty]

The ultimate in aircooled technology available today applied to the 60-70's products
would certainly improve the emissions count.
I haven't read of anyone adapting direct injection variable valve timing and modern cats to the engines.Running a late model liquid cooled h4-6 demands that the engines smog equipment is intact,right?The sniffer does a comparator curve fitting routine for the model of engine or vehicle or both?

Requirements state the emissions equipment be present for either the engine or the vehicle, whichever is NEWER. Drop a 2014 Subie motor in your car, it MUST have every bit of emissions related equipment present in the donor car when it was certified by the Air Resources Board. That can mean the instrument cluster, the wiring and electronics, and usually the transmission and it's electronics.

Drop an '83 911SC engine in it, you'll need all the emissions electronics and hardware, as well as an evap system compliant with '83 regulations. Not such a big deal.

My take on the 912e, based on some experience here in CA, is it'll pass w/o the thermal reactors, which all but the most stringent of smog tech will not even recognize. You will, however, need a functional air pump system, the stock air filter housing, and a lot of prayers that the airbox will allow you to get it lean enough to pass the tail pipe test. If the car has solid lifters, setting the valves to .016" for the test will drop the HCs immensely, and you should run the test only after filling the near-empty tank with the lowest octane fuel you can find.

Remember, the SELLER pays for and provides the smog certificate, and it's a responsibility he/she CANNOT abdicate, and the buyer cannot legally waive, unless the buyer is a dealer or dismantler.

Edit: Hmmm. I forgot to answer the above statement. You can provide "modern technological" answers for the emissions equipment and "numbers" in CA, but everything you do will have to be ARB approved as individual pieces AND as a whole, meaning you'll have to spend literally tens of thousands (and probably even hundreds of thousands) of dollars in the testing and approval processes necessary to gain that highly sought after ARB approval number.

The Cap'n

[toolguy]

In the Democratic Republic of California, there are 2 portions to the biannual smog test. .
the first part is the visual inspection of the components, then the actual emission test.

If the smog tech is knowledgeable, he'll look for the thermal reactors, and seeing they are
missing, FAIL the car immediately and proceed no further.

Then you're off to the Referee Station for an adventure in bureaucratic lunacy. You're
at their mercy and they are not there to help you. . . Their job
is to get polluters off the road.

Here's the scoop on a
Parts Availability Repair Waiver

"In any of the above failure cases, if the parts needed to bring the vehicle into compliance are not available, you may apply for a referee-approved parts availability waiver. Take the vehicle to a referee station and verify through documentation that the needed parts to repair the vehicle are not available. You can then receive up to a two-year waiver on repairing the vehicle, and the vehicle will be smog certified during the allotted time period. "

[Johny Blackstain]

Wow, what a crock of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif)

[Dave_Darling]

...if they cannot locate part i get a exemption.doesnt sound so bad...

You'd think so, right? Then you take your low-production-volume car in without one or two useless but required parts. It fails visual, the guy from CARB looks up in his system and says "Yes, that shows as available. FAIL." Then you spend six months hunting everywhere, high and low, for the required bits. Finding that nobody anywhere actually has the part, even though one of them did at one point tell a CARB rep that they did.

... Not that this happened to someone I know or anything ...

--DD

[rosenfe]

ive been speaking with an unamed shop and there are creative ways to get through smog.i wont elaborate,but im comfortable enough to go ahead and buy this car.


i must say this forum never dissapoints.ive gotten so much more from you guys re:my 912,than the other specific 912 forums.

thanks for all the input for my 912 and 914.

ill post pics when i get my 912,dont forget it has a 914 engine in it.

[rhodyguy]

sounds like a big 'could be left hanging' hassle to me. in washington the car is beyond the 25 year test requirement and you could do what you want with it.

[rosenfe]

gotta b brave with these old porsches.if all else fails i can go to washington.these cars were made for one year.based on a 911 body,so parts for that are availabel with some exceptions.only 500 made with sunroof and ac,this has both,500 on engine,it was completely taken apart,no rust,reupholstered seats.so raraity is definitely an issue.car is simple,easy to maintain.shop owner i m dealing with has 2 912e s,has gotten both smogged.im not worried.he agreed to get it smogged legitamately.

[Al Meredith]

greetings from Georgia, I love my 912E . 2056, Raby cam , HAM heads and 44's. so glad we don't have smog for older cars. That goes for my 914 as well. AL

[Drums66]

greetings from Georgia, I love my 912E . 2056, Raby cam , HAM heads and 44's. so glad we don't have smog for older cars. That goes for my 914 as well. AL

....I dig the ride Al!

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[X911IC]

i just spoke to ca state bar.they said:if car fails smog and has been found to be missing smog parts,then they do a part search,if they cannot locate part i get a exemption.doesnt sound so bad,i want the car and ill work through the smog procedure.

If this is still available, may solve your problem. Craigslist Los Angeles auto parts.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/pts/4695297246.html

I had a 912E in Caifornia and smog is a real problem. There are 5 counties in California that are smog cert. exempt. I was registered in Inyo county so never needed smog. IMHO 912E in Ca. is not worth it! I've been down that road, but it is your headache not mine. Good Luck, you can also find parts on the 912 registry, worth becoming a member.

[sbsix]

I've danced with CARB smogging a non-domestic 1975 BMW CSL back in the 90's. It took me a year, cost me a fortune and I ended up with a car that wouldn't run. I had it re-converted to German specs and sold it to a friend in Montreal. Never would I go through that maddening process again.

Before CA made my 1970 914-6 smog exempt, I had to go through pretty much the same drill every 2 years. I had an engineering shop de-tune it so it would just barely run to pass idle and run tests, than had to re-tune it to run correctly afterwards. If it wasn't smog exempt now I would sell it in a heartbeat, and I love my six.

Save yourself a lot of time, money and grief and walk away from this car.

[0396]

AND you have to do that dance every two years. You can thank Arnold for signing the law that repealed the rolling 30 year exemption.

THIS from a guy that registered his military Hummer in Oregon.

Arnold is like most political guys out there.....say one thing and do another. Welcome to the broken down state of Cali (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) . Good luck with your smog journey.

[McMark]

I have heard it on VERY good authority that you can pass the 'sniff-test' without the thermal reactors if the car is running well. Passing the visual inspection depends on how well the tester knows the car and how closely they look. I also have heard it on VERY good authority that a 2056 with a stock cam will still pass CA smog.

[Maltese Falcon]

AND you have to do that dance every two years. You can thank Arnold for signing the law that repealed the rolling 30 year exemption.

THIS from a guy that registered his military Hummer in Oregon.

Not to mention the Grey market Pinzgauer that he brought in, and drove around Beverly Hills car shows with Oregon plates. Didn't even have to pay California DMV fees. Former California governor doing his props (joke) to our vehicle hobby "Well being" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
Marty

[PancakePorsche]

My 76 914 passes Ca smog by a country mile. You must have a good CAT installed, use a universal one if necessary. I use a 924/944 unit since it is the same as 914.
I recommend verification of all items listed in the visual part of inspection. CAT, charcoal can, EGR, valve adjust + timing, and AIR pump. Check the under hood emissions sticker to see if any do not apply. May say NON-CAT
Do a sniffer pre-test off line not connected to DMV. Check measurements to see if it will pass. You do not want to fail on-line to DMV. The pre test usually will cost about $25

If high HC it is generally mixture related (rich) if high NOX, retard the timing for test. Once sorted, you should be able to pass every time thereafter provided it is in good tune. Like any car, any misfires will hurt your readings.

[Mikey914]

My 912E will pass the Oregon DEQ without the reactors, however if they actually knew thew had them they would require them. Fortunately the car is obscure enough that most do not know what they are looking at.

[RenoRoger]

My 912E will pass the Oregon DEQ without the reactors, however if they actually knew thew had them they would require them. Fortunately the car is obscure enough that most do not know what they are looking at.

3 years ago I bought a 912E from a guy in Chico, CA. As required, it came with a valid CA smog certificate. No way would I have bought the car without it.

I live in Nevada. The local DMV would not accept the CA smog certificate. On the first try, the car failed Nevada smog. After some adjustments, it passed. It has no thermal reactors, an aftermarket K&N airfilter and a working smog pump. It's registered as a classic vehicle and is smog excempt as long as I drive no more than 5,000 miles annually.

[rosenfe]

i bought the car and drove about 120 miles home today,ran great.i realized the engine is same as 76 914.smog on wed,local porsche indy will do a pre test .needed a smog pump and pulley.thanks bruce bedstone,he had them and really fair on price.

car had good power ,doing 75 on fwy.im happy i got it,will update after smog.it has a sunroof that works and ac ,no compressor,but all is there.i dont plan to hook it up.


most parts are available for body ,as its a 911,engine parts can be sourced via 914,ill find out what will be hard to find.luckily it doesnt currently require anything.

2099 were made,500 had sunroof and ac,mine is 1836 of 2099,galvanized body