is this the new poor mans porsc(ha), 300 hp is pretty attractive Options

[gandalf_025]

It may be the poor mans Porsche while it is still running,
but could turn into a boat anchor real fast when it breaks
and it goes to a shop to be worked on....

I don't have an issue about how they look.. I'd like a nice cabrio..
But they can suck to work on....

[Chris914n6]

Here's what I got out of the ad.
The car may be one owner but the seller/flipper isn't him. English isn't his first language.
Might be a decent car, but I'd do one hell of a ppi first.

[colingreene]

if it was not a cabrio i would be mildly interested.

[wndsnd]

I would like a 2005 C4S. Still too pricey for my modest budget.

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[porschetub]

It'll be worth a lot more than that ... in 50 years (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Even early 912's are becoming 'un-affordable' ... check this out: Link

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Nah,they will never get up there pricewise,look @ the boxster ,great car but built in such large numbers the value dies in the ass the only later models that get there is the last of the aircooled ones.
These cars are cheap everywhere you look even in my country,the fact that it is a convertible drops it further down,price out a new soft top for one of these and you will see why.
I don't see the 912 has any place in a comparison,the reason they are what they are is totally different.

[billh1963]

As I stated in that other thread, I may abandon my search for a 914 in favor of a 996.

No way you can consider one versus the other.

That's not even an apples to oranges comparison...more like apples to Brussel sprouts.

Other than the Porsche name they have NOTHING in common.

You either want a 914 or you want a watercooled 911. Both have their positive attributes; however, they are light years apart.

[DRPHIL914]

As I stated in that other thread, I may abandon my search for a 914 in favor of a 996.

No way you can consider one versus the other.

That's not even an apples to oranges comparison...more like apples to Brussel sprouts.

Other than the Porsche name they have NOTHING in common.

You either want a 914 or you want a watercooled 911. Both have their positive attributes; however, they are light years apart.

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which one is the brussel sprout? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
but then , I like brussel sprouts!
- ive been looking and pricing these 996's out over the past few weeks, and there are some really good deals out there with IMS already done. If my deal to sell my audi tt had not fallen thru this past week, I would have a '99 speed yellow coupe with factory aero kit, IMS etc all done +++ and low miles , in my driveway!, but I have to wait - but I would not sell my 914 to get one that's for sure. but I think like the boxsters of the same years, they are pretty close to the bottom of their depreciation, since very other 911 is $20k more means that others will start to look at them and the prices will begin to rise(IMHO) so if you want one under $20 , and there are some nice examples, I would not wait too long - or you can go buy a Boxster for $6500, fix the IMS for $3k and drive the snot out of it for a long time!!.
I had a 2001S boxster, very fun car and should have kept it, but it came down to either the box or the 914 and I kept the 914- !, with that said, i'm still looking hard at the 996's - I had a ch

[jim_hoyland]

How does one differentiate a 996 from the other 911s when you walk up to one ?

[scott_in_nh]

How does one differentiate a 996 from the other 911s when you walk up to one ?

By the runny yolk fried egg headlights

[scott_in_nh]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)
which one is the brussel sprout? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
but then , I like brussel sprouts!
- ive been looking and pricing these 996's out over the past few weeks, and there are some really good deals out there with IMS already done. If my deal to sell my audi tt had not fallen thru this past week, I would have a '99 speed yellow coupe with factory aero kit, IMS etc all done +++ and low miles , in my driveway!, but I have to wait - but I would not sell my 914 to get one that's for sure. but I think like the boxsters of the same years, they are pretty close to the bottom of their depreciation, since very other 911 is $20k more means that others will start to look at them and the prices will begin to rise(IMHO) so if you want one under $20 , and there are some nice examples, I would not wait too long - or you can go buy a Boxster for $6500, fix the IMS for $3k and drive the snot out of it for a long time!!.
I had a 2001S boxster, very fun car and should have kept it, but it came down to either the box or the 914 and I kept the 914- !, with that said, i'm still looking hard at the 996's - I had a ch

I know where that car is/was, they have a nice white 99 too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Unobtanium-inc]

These cars are a great bargain, on the front end, much like the cayenne. But, and like that blind date, it's a big but, the maintenance is rough, and on a lot of these cars, the 1st owner maintained them, the last two didn't. So if you plan to spend your last dime to get into a 996, don't. But if you want one and have a slush fund for fixes, it's a lot of car for the money!

[iwanta914-6]

As I stated in that other thread, I may abandon my search for a 914 in favor of a 996.

No way you can consider one versus the other.

That's not even an apples to oranges comparison...more like apples to Brussel sprouts.

Other than the Porsche name they have NOTHING in common.

You either want a 914 or you want a watercooled 911. Both have their positive attributes; however, they are light years apart.

I wasn't directly comparing the cars to one another. Just the price point. 914 prices are rising every day while the 996 prices keep dropping. I have considered looking at boxters as well, those early boxters are by far the most inexpensive Porsche around right now, and there are a few nice ones out there in the market... I prefer the Cayman, but they are still in that $25K range. At $25K you can almost get into a 996 Turbo!

[DRPHIL914]

yes, he has a blue one for $16k, and a nice low milage silver one. so you saw those . the have all had the maintenance on them , ims , clutch etc. - I have my eye on that speed yellow one , and although I would like a cabriole with hard top, id take the coupe with sun roof , as he has all the work done they appear very clean and sorted.
which one are you eyeing scott?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)
which one is the brussel sprout? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
but then , I like brussel sprouts!
- ive been looking and pricing these 996's out over the past few weeks, and there are some really good deals out there with IMS already done. If my deal to sell my audi tt had not fallen thru this past week, I would have a '99 speed yellow coupe with factory aero kit, IMS etc all done +++ and low miles , in my driveway!, but I have to wait - but I would not sell my 914 to get one that's for sure. but I think like the boxsters of the same years, they are pretty close to the bottom of their depreciation, since very other 911 is $20k more means that others will start to look at them and the prices will begin to rise(IMHO) so if you want one under $20 , and there are some nice examples, I would not wait too long - or you can go buy a Boxster for $6500, fix the IMS for $3k and drive the snot out of it for a long time!!.
I had a 2001S boxster, very fun car and should have kept it, but it came down to either the box or the 914 and I kept the 914- !, with that said, i'm still looking hard at the 996's - I had a ch

I know where that car is/was, they have a nice white 99 too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[DRPHIL914]

How does one differentiate a 996 from the other 911s when you walk up to one ?

Jim, they look identical to a boxster from the front - in fact the lights are the same, and the interior is identical- dash, doors etc etc, and that may be why they were not as well received by those so called "purists" they want their 911s to have their own identity not sharing with another.

but interestingly as I;ve been shopping them I come back to looking at the boxsters- because its such an incredible value with the 97-99 cars. if you find an 1 or 2 owner car with full history, why not? for a second car or a d.d. its a great option, unless you want the 2+2, rear seats would be nice. that said, I could get my golf clubs in the trunk of my boxster and that is not happening in the 911!

[jimkelly]

when it breaks, throw an LS in it.

http://www.renegadehybrids.com/

[scott_in_nh]

yes, he has a blue one for $16k, and a nice low milage silver one. so you saw those . the have all had the maintenance on them , ims , clutch etc. - I have my eye on that speed yellow one , and although I would like a cabriole with hard top, id take the coupe with sun roof , as he has all the work done they appear very clean and sorted.
which one are you eyeing scott?

I like white, black and red and I like red interiors (not on a red car though).
I could live with blue or silver if everything else was right.

I don't like the aero package, but seem to be in the minority.

I don't mind the cabs, it would nice to stay topless, but don't like the weight penalty and less rigid structure (997 was designed as a convertible first to avoid these problems).

Unless you have a full history of when, why and how (which kit) the IMS was done that is transparent and believable (maybe they still have the bearing they took out) I am a little worried about cars that have it already done.

If the bearing was already failing, additional engine damage may have already happened.

[jim_hoyland]

How does one differentiate a 996 from the other 911s when you walk up to one ?

Jim, they look identical to a boxster from the front - in fact the lights are the same, and the interior is identical- dash, doors etc etc, and that may be why they were not as well received by those so called "purists" they want their 911s to have their own identity not sharing with another.

but interestingly as I;ve been shopping them I come back to looking at the boxsters- because its such an incredible value with the 97-99 cars. if you find an 1 or 2 owner car with full history, why not? for a second car or a d.d. its a great option, unless you want the 2+2, rear seats would be nice. that said, I could get my golf clubs in the trunk of my boxster and that is not happening in the 911!

Thanks; I see them all the time in my rear view mirror. Looks like a Boxster from that view....

[euro911]

It'll be worth a lot more than that ... in 50 years (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Even early 912's are becoming 'un-affordable' ... check this out: Link

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Nah,they will never get up there pricewise,look @ the boxster ,great car but built in such large numbers the value dies in the ass the only later models that get there is the last of the aircooled ones.
These cars are cheap everywhere you look even in my country,the fact that it is a convertible drops it further down,price out a new soft top for one of these and you will see why.
I don't see the 912 has any place in a comparison,the reason they are what they are is totally different.

Just a price point. Early 911s and 912s were relatively 'cheap' a decade ago too. Who knows what will will happen 50 years from now? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I don't think people ever envisioned 912s hitting the $ numbers we're seeing today. The 914s appear to be following the trend, granted, at a slower pace.

[DRPHIL914]

yes, he has a blue one for $16k, and a nice low milage silver one. so you saw those . the have all had the maintenance on them , ims , clutch etc. - I have my eye on that speed yellow one , and although I would like a cabriole with hard top, id take the coupe with sun roof , as he has all the work done they appear very clean and sorted.
which one are you eyeing scott?

I like white, black and red and I like red interiors (not on a red car though).
I could live with blue or silver if everything else was right.

I don't like the aero package, but seem to be in the minority.

I don't mind the cabs, it would nice to stay topless, but don't like the weight penalty and less rigid structure (997 was designed as a convertible first to avoid these problems).

Unless you have a full history of when, why and how (which kit) the IMS was done that is transparent and believable (maybe they still have the bearing they took out) I am a little worried about cars that have it already done.

If the bearing was already failing, additional engine damage may have already happened.

there ya go scott! LS3 430 hp conversion, no more IMS issue, dependable, but i don't even want ask how much!

[scott_in_nh]

there ya go scott! LS3 430 hp conversion, no more IMS issue, dependable, but i don't even want ask how much!

Nah, the kit is something like $8k, so not cheap and if I wanted that I would just buy a Vette!

I'm not in a hurry, might even wait another year.

I have a 79 Glastron/Carlson CVZ-18 with a Mercruiser 350 that I am restoring/rebuilding and I have a year left on my current DD lease.

Trying to go from this:



Back to this:



Linda wants a Merc, so we'll finish my lease, use her Jeep Liberty as required, help get her what she wants, get me another P-car (even some 997's are starting to creep into range) have a fast car, fast boat, luxury car, 4X4 and a bitchin' bike, and life will continue to be great (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

Of course the right car at the right price could sway me, even if I had to park it for awhile.