is this the new poor mans porsc(ha), 300 hp is pretty attractive Options

[thelogo]

I think it is interesting tha everyone complains about if they had to replace a 996 engine it would be $12k. Trust me I wouldn't want to have to replace mine. But what do you think it runs to rebuild an air cooled 6 correctly? About the same. Just say n'
This is where the LS1 comment comes in. Lol (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

Let the stones start to be thrown


But why not

If the i m s failed

Why not just put in a 3.2 air cooled (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

???????????????

There are 70 's 911 s that look like a 993



http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/5312697223.html

Why ? Would you ? Do this ?









So why not a 3.2 or pick your six in a 996

[mgp4591]

It looks interesting with the 993 front end even though the fit on those parts really suck. More than a few people think that the 996 doesn't look like a real 911 with those Boxster headlights... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[Cuda911]

The 996 does not have Boxster headlights, it's the other way around. Boxsters have 996 headlights. The 996 was designed first. As a cost savings measure, the Boxster got the 996 front end. The , and a couple 914s. All are uniqueMK2 996 doesn't have the fried egg lights.

I have a 996, a Boxster, a Cayman, and a couple 914s. All have their pluses and minuses.

Don't try an LS swap in CA, nearly impossible to register it.

If you want better info. on the 996, join Rennlist and go to the 996 forum. A lot of great info there. Be prepared, though, a rougher crowd than here. Bring your thick skin. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

BTW, the 914 hats I designed seemed to go over well. So, the 996 guys asked me to design one. They go on sale next week. PM me if interested.

[JmuRiz]

I've always been a fan of the 996.2 C4S, great looking car. I would love to have one as a daily driver (or daily park-er in my non-driving case). It would make a great family hauler for car events and stuff. The 914 doesn't work well taking the wife and kid.

BTW the interior looks great with the lower console delete (gives it a more '911' look in my opinion):
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i148.photobucket.com-50-1448373556.1.jpg)

[DRPHIL914]

The 996 does not have Boxster headlights, it's the other way around. Boxsters have 996 headlights. The 996 was designed first. As a cost savings measure, the Boxster got the 996 front end. The , and a couple 914s. All are uniqueMK2 996 doesn't have the fried egg lights.

I have a 996, a Boxster, a Cayman, and a couple 914s. All have their pluses and minuses.

Don't try an LS swap in CA, nearly impossible to register it.

If you want better info. on the 996, join Rennlist and go to the 996 forum. A lot of great info there. Be prepared, though, a rougher crowd than here. Bring your thick skin. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

BTW, the 914 hats I designed seemed to go over well. So, the 996 guys asked me to design one. They go on sale next week. PM me if interested.

I saw your post when I was over on the rennlist and 996 forum, I might have to get one.... you really should go over to the 986forum.com as well. very active boxster community I got a lot of help there when I had mine. -- I the past week several boxsters sold for under $6k, one with a hard top and lots of work done, cosmetically like new!!!! CRAZY?!! have to keep my eyes open - and of course you guys RENEGADE is doing LS conversions on everything, including 996's & 986's. and I think that is the direction I would go rather than a Porsche powerplant.

[corsepervita]

The 996 seems like a great car. I have yet to drive one. However, the dreaded "IMS" issue always seems to come up in conversation. Part of me goes, "How big of an issue is it really?" the other part of me goes, "Should I ever touch one without it being fixed?"

The pricing is certainly there, though I don't think I'd go for it as an investment, but just so I could drive a modern Porsche. Everything I've owned is older than me in the Porsche world.

[KELTY360]

The topic of this thread on a 914 forum just oozes irony. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[Series9]

The 996 seems like a great car. I have yet to drive one. However, the dreaded "IMS" issue always seems to come up in conversation. Part of me goes, "How big of an issue is it really?" the other part of me goes, "Should I ever touch one without it being fixed?"

The pricing is certainly there, though I don't think I'd go for it as an investment, but just so I could drive a modern Porsche. Everything I've owned is older than me in the Porsche world.

Look at the price of a 996 versus a 993, 964 or 3.2 Carrera.

The issues with the car are VERY real. I replace about three 996 engines per year that scrap themselves over IMS or other issues. IMS used to be the most common reason, but I'm seeing other things now as the cars age, that seem to be even more prevalent.

Rebuilding the 996 engine isn't financially viable. It costs $20k for a good rebuild for a car that will be worth $15k when you're done. Most people choose to buy a used engine and put the car back on the road for $10k.....or just give up and part it out.

[Wdunster]

The 996 seems like a great car. I have yet to drive one. However, the dreaded "IMS" issue always seems to come up in conversation. Part of me goes, "How big of an issue is it really?" the other part of me goes, "Should I ever touch one without it being fixed?"

The pricing is certainly there, though I don't think I'd go for it as an investment, but just so I could drive a modern Porsche. Everything I've owned is older than me in the Porsche world.

Look at the price of a 996 versus a 993, 964 or 3.2 Carrera.

The issues with the car are VERY real. I replace about three 996 engines per year that scrap themselves over IMS or other issues. IMS used to be the most common reason, but I'm seeing other things now as the cars age, that seem to be even more prevalent.

Rebuilding the 996 engine isn't financially viable. It costs $20k for a good rebuild for a car that will be worth $15k when you're done. Most people choose to buy a used engine and put the car back on the road for $10k.....or just give up and part it out.

Now you really sound like the guys on the 996 forum. This is reason I quit going on it. The IMS is all anyone wants to talk about concerning the 996. Sorry had to say it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif)

[EdwardBlume]

I drove and sold my in laws C4 3.6. Damn fun to drive, even with a Tip, but you kind of got the impression that owning an aging one would be like marrying a woman with a horse addiction: You're going to take it in the wallet for a diminishing amount of fun.

[EdwardBlume]

I drove and sold my in laws C4 3.6. Damn fun to drive, even with a Tip, but you kind of got the impression that owning an aging one would be like marrying a woman with a horse addiction: You're going to take it in the wallet for a diminishing amount of fun.

And I mean that in the most positive way..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif)

[r_towle]

Scott, this is stupid cheap

https://nh.craigslist.org/cto/5306752998.html

[Series9]

Now you really sound like the guys on the 996 forum. This is reason I quit going on it. The IMS is all anyone wants to talk about concerning the 996. Sorry had to say it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif)

The question was asked and I was giving my objective observations as the owner of a busy, independent Porsche shop in Florida. I probably sound like "the guys on 996 forum" because I have witnessed the same problems as they pertain the the M96 series.


Look at it like this: I own a Porsche shop. I have opportunities to purchase clean 996s with blown engines for well under $4k. I could repair the car, and have a clean, running 996 for less than $8k total.

I don't own a 996.

Draw your own conclusion.

[Series9]

And, so you know: The last three M96 engines I replaced came in for rough running, but ended up with cracked heads, not IMS failure. You might think you can fix that by replacing the bad cylinder head, but no.

They mostly have very small cracks that have propagated over a long period of time. This tends to result in cylinder scoring on the offending cylinder, and.....that's all she wrote. Full tear-down.

When you say "$20k to fix it", the owner normally says "I paid $16k for the whole car". Yep, I know. Looked like a good deal, didn't it?

......just to move the conversation off of the IMS issue.

[r_towle]

Joe,

What else are you seeing?
Is this only the 3.4 motor or is it also the 3.6 motor from2003 onwards?

[Series9]

Joe,

What else are you seeing?
Is this only the 3.4 motor or is it also the 3.6 motor from2003 onwards?

The primary thing I'm seeing is cheaply built Porsches.


Cracked heads are mostly 3.4. IMS failure is common to all M96 engines, both dual-row and single-row. DO NOT BUY a 2005-2008, as the "updated" bearing can't be replaced without a full teardown. Some 2005s can, but you have to pull the transaxle and flywheel to find out.

I have replaced 3.6 motors, and not the air-cooled kind.

3.4s seem to be the worst of the worst at this moment.

[r_towle]

Seems the cost to me would be whatever I pay for a car, plus another 3k on day one to pull the motor and do the IMS bearing, clutch and RMS to get it over with.

I like the 997, but now you are saying some of them cannot be replaced with LN engineerings ceramic bearing?

Even when you pull the motor?

[Series9]

Seems the cost to me would be whatever I pay for a car, plus another 3k on day one to pull the motor and do the IMS bearing, clutch and RMS to get it over with.

I like the 997, but now you are saying some of them cannot be replaced with LN engineerings ceramic bearing?

Even when you pull the motor?

What you said is somewhat true, and yes, the LN bearing cannot be installed in an assembled 2006-2008 engine. Some 2005 engines are excepted, but most are also not available for retrofit without a full teardown.

However:

Cracked heads can't be precluded, and that's a bigger issue du jour.

[scott_in_nh]

Scott, this is stupid cheap

https://nh.craigslist.org/cto/5306752998.html

No tips for me and preferably no Boxters, but I will admit lower price = less risk.

[wndsnd]

968s are looking better and rarer all the time.