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| SirAndy |
  Jul 20 2005, 06:51 PM
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Resident German  Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California  |
ok, i got the 944 CV's off the shaft ...
i wanted to know if the wear was too bad so i took them apart. looking good! almost no wear (came off a 944 turbo) ... i cleaned them up thoroughly as i was told not to mix different kinds of CV grease and now the question is: how do i pack them with new grease? grease the parts first, then try to assemble or assemble dry and then pack the whole thing? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) Andy |
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| Aaron Cox |
Jul 21 2005, 04:36 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
im told 915 coarse spline outputshafts are a PITA to find....
everything else is gravy..... BTW - anyway to drive the 914 stub out and replace it with the 951 part WITHOUT buying new rear bearings??? |
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| SirAndy |
Jul 21 2005, 04:48 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
well, Mr. EASY said that there were a couple of years (late '70s) not just '75 and they shouldn't be too hard to come by. he had one set right there, and probably 100 915s he obviously didn't want to go through and check ...
true, i forgot to mention that i already have a set of new trailing arms with new wheelbearings where all this stuff will be fitted into ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) Andy Attached image(s) 
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| MartyYeoman |
Jul 21 2005, 06:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,520 Joined: 19-June 03 From: San Ramon, CA Member No.: 839 Region Association: Northern California 
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Does this mean success will cost a little more? |
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| SirAndy |
Jul 21 2005, 06:49 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
no, that means that failure will be FREE and success will cost me $$$. and the $$$ hasn't been discussed yet ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy |
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| scotty b |
Jul 21 2005, 07:10 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
Andy, I'll try my best to explain how to re-assemble. put your inner race inside the cage, put two of the bearings in 180 deg. apart. Slide the race/cage and 2 bearing setup inside the outer race holding the two at a 90 deg angle to each other (cage horizontal and the race and bearings vertical) this way the two bearinbgs will easily slide into the two opposite tracks. Once this has been done, add the remaing bearings and rotate the whole assembly 90 deg's. You may have to push a little to get everytjhing to seat but shouldn't have to BEAT it in. Now check for movement. it will be a little akward feeling but should move in all directions. If it binds up really bad look at the inner and outer races, you will notice that the "tooth" pattern is : wide / space for bearing / narrow : the wide and narrow spaces should NOT line up. You need a wide tooth on the inner to match up to a narrow tooth on the outer.. Once packed and boots attached you will notice the assembly is not as loose and should move freely without binding. Hope you could follow my ramblings. It's a PITA no matter how many times you do it. I just did a set on an Audi quattro yesterday, drivers went smooth, passengers (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)
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| neo914-6 |
Jul 21 2005, 07:24 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Yeah I bought the other set a couple of months ago. I was told by a member he only paid $30 (ea or for a pair, not sure) and when I told John at EASY, he said that was before they knew they were "desirable". (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) Maybe it was because of the RGruppe group. Anyway, they made me feel $100 was a good deal... I'm running mid-70's 911 shafts/CV's. I bought complete trailing arms with axles and CV's already set up for the 914 so maybe there are 951 parts too. |
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| SirAndy |
Jul 21 2005, 07:46 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
i'm not sure why, but the 6-ball 944 CV seems to be really easy to re-assemble ... i'll take pics in just a minute .... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy |
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| SirAndy |
Jul 21 2005, 08:29 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
WARNING: LOTS OF PICTURES AHEAD ...
this is fun, just like the rubiks cube! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) start by lining up the inner and outer race, just so you remember how to put them together. see where the grooves on the outer race are closer together in pairs? the larger "nose" on the inner race has to point towards those ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998487.jpg) now slide the inner race into the cage and turn in to line up with the holes in the cage. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998508.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998531.jpg) add two balls 180 deg. from each other (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998550.jpg) and slide that into the outer race (lying flat on the bench) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998574.jpg) lift up the inner race and cage just enough to add another ball (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998608.jpg) just do one ball at a time going around (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998641.jpg) until you got all 6 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998668.jpg) voila! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998691.jpg) moves just the way it's supposed to! but careful, it'll fall apart really easy as well ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998712.jpg) one thing, the 944 CV has a groove on one side which points to the outer side of the CV, away from the axle. also, the inner race has a flat side and a raised side, the flat side goes towards the outside. not sure if this is important, just something i noticed ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998732.jpg) inner (raised) side of the inner race (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1121998756.jpg) now all i need to do is pack it with grease! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) Andy |
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| SirAndy |
Jul 21 2005, 08:35 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
oh, and here is what i started with. took me less than 5 minutes ...
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| nebreitling |
Jul 21 2005, 10:12 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
damn, andy -- you could be a hand-model. really. nice hands (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif)
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| McMark |
Jul 21 2005, 10:37 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Show off. If you hadn't taken so many Andy pictures I would suggest using them for a new Tutorial page. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/tongue.gif)
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| 914werke |
Jul 22 2005, 09:24 AM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,119 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Nominate this one for clasic thread or how to status (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)
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| 914werke |
Jul 22 2005, 09:25 AM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,119 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Andy did you paint or Powder coat (yellow (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/barf.gif) ) the shafts?
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| brer |
Jul 22 2005, 10:35 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,555 Joined: 10-March 05 From: san diego Member No.: 3,736 Region Association: None |
so does that mean that with these parts,
944 turbo CV, will fit the axle - 944 turbo stub axle, will fit the CV - early 911 hubs (pre ~'73) fit the 914 wheel bearing and will fit the stub axle you could frankenstein up real 5 lug hubs on the rear, without messing with the stock trans.????? and without drilling? thats very interesting. I realize that thoroughness and a quest for quality workmanship would demand changing the trans parts. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Jul 22 2005, 10:55 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
yes, that's possible ... i'm not sure how it would effect the axle if you run two different types of CVs on one axle. the 914 CV is much smaller ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy |
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| ClayPerrine |
Jul 22 2005, 11:09 AM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,503 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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Andy,
You don't need the 914 axle shaft. The 944 shaft is the same length. For those of you who AREN'T cheap, you can buy complete rebuilt axle assemblies for 300.00 a side. 944 turbo CVs are 100 bucks a piece new. Oh, and the 914 /6 uses a different number of splines on the axle shaft. If you found an axle with one, buy it! It's worth money to any 914 CW who just has to have the absolute right parts. BTW. .I got all the parts to do my car for under 200.00, including the drive flanges for the transmission. And Andy, Thanks for the pictures of the CV joint cleaning and reassembly. That is my project for this evening. |
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| flesburg |
 Jul 22 2005, 11:26 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 506 Joined: 22-November 04 From: Pontiac, IL Member No.: 3,162 |
Andy:
WOW!, Andy, That is the slickest picture story of a how to on cv joint assembly I have ever seen. Flat on a bench!!, so the balls do not fall out in your lap. I'm going to print out your set of pictures, and then I'm going to try this over the weekend with an old cv joint. I bet even I can do this. I have always tried it setting down in a chair and at a table, but with the cv joint in my hands and a little clean grease to make the balls sticky, but then there is a solution for every puzzel, we just go through life without the solutions. Too soon old and too late smart as they say. Is there a similar "solution" to the rubics cube? Thanks for sharing the solution, and with such a neat set of pictures. |
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| Jeffs9146 |
Jul 22 2005, 01:17 PM
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Ski Bum Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 |
Andy, your photographing skills have improved over the years!!! I can see everything clear and in focus!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) Jeff |
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| Aaron Cox |
Jul 22 2005, 01:20 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
he must not have taken the pictures.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Jul 22 2005, 01:23 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
no, it's about 1" longer ... |
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