Who hates NASCAR on Speed?, Maybe we can make a difference Options

[ws91420]

When I said no complicated fuel managment I meant no FI or computers used on the cars in a stand alone mode. There is alot of engineering and tuning done in the shop and garage. These car aren't truly a stock car as in the early days of the sport but changes have come as a result to make competition equal and safer. Hope the no 43 Petty car can do something this year with a real driver in it.


Okay while I was writing my post someone else posted something that got me riled up.

Its not NASCAR that is making money off Dale Sr. name it is his widow and the licensing co that handles his name. When he died at Daytona all production and shipping stopped on his collectables till his widow gave the go ahead. He had his fans and his haters but all can agree he made a lasting contribution to the sport.


As for technology I can't answer fully about that, but remember reading about before Dodge left racing they were using an engine called a HEMI and winning. Ford wanted permission to run an overhead cam V8 to try and be competetive(sp). This was in the early 70's

[Joe Ricard]

QUOTE (indydad @ Jan 23 2006, 07:02 AM)

NASCAR "technology"? What, hi-tech lug nuts? Lightweight gas cans and floor jacks? carbon fiber push rods or plastic carburetor? How about making the front ends stiffer so they can bang, rub and bump and stay on the track. It cost them a few drivers, but the sponsors are happy. Besides, no fans grieve like NASCAR fans. And they still are making money on a dead guy! Win, win situation. NASCAR is the joke of motosports. Entertainment? Yes, Motorsport? NO. Pop culture at it's best. old dad

Joke or not they are making money and gaining more fans everyday.

[black73]

It looks like NASCAR topics get people as fired up as religion or politics around here. I suggest we prohibit any NASCAR threads. Andy? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

[ws91420]

It's just that the drivers own the licensing rights to their name not NASCAR. NASCAR doesn't make money off the driver collectables.

[indydad]

You are right, NASCAR doesn't make money directly off the dead guy(and I was an Dale Sr. fan at one time and still respect him) , but why is the TV broadcast promoting a Dale Earnhart Tribute? . Nascar controls EVERYTHING the bradcast does and says, and that is from Bob Jenkins who used to do the call. They benifit indirectly for sure.
And yes, NASCAR is growing, but at the cost of all other forms of traditional motorsport.
Ban NASCAR threads? OK by me.
old dad

[914werke]

QUOTE

And motorcycle racing is dumb too. At lest until they wreck. Then you're on the edge of your seat with popcorn, waiting to see if any of the blood splatter still moves.

OK! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif)
This is where I get of the couch.
Your gonna compare motorcycle racing to the lame ass roundy round 4 wheeled WWF type of entertainment called NASCAR~!?

GET FRIGGIN REAL (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif)

Try watchin the MotoGP or WSB races sometime & all you do is look for blood .....Idiot.

[ClayPerrine]

NASCAR is a reality TV program. It is marketing at its best. That said, it is not easy to drive 190 MPH six inches from a bunch of other guys going 190 with you.

There already was a woman driver in the Craftsman Truck series who was sponsored by a Bra company. The slogan was "Burn Rubber, not Bras!" Betty loved that one!!!


And the reason we dont see anything but Ford/Chevy/Chrysler is rooted in the rules. They insist on running a pushrod V-8. And that rule is the fault of Mercedes.
In 1975, Mercedes outfitted one of their 2 door sedans to meet the rules for the Daytona 500 (I don't remember who the sanctioning body was at that time). It was a slightly warmed over Mercedes V-8 with CIS. In testing at Daytona, it went out and lapped within one second of the track record. So the sanctioning body said they had to run a single carb. Mercedes put on a single 4 barrel carb, and matched the track record (note that they had not done any real tuning or development of the car, just initial test runs). So the "powers that bei) said that the motors had to be a pushrod V-8.

Mercedes went home, never to come back.


If they had not implemented that "pushrod V-8 motors only" rule, Mercedes would have cleaned up that year.

[Racing916]

Porsches LMP2 car owned and operted by Richard Penske who gets his $$$ from NASCAR!

Daytona Rolex series that supports a boat load of Porches, Lexus, etc... is owned and supported by NASCAR!!

NASCAR may not be the as entertaining as say F1, SCCA, Dirt Racing to some but it supports almost every other racing market in one way or another.

I LOVE NASCAR, it is better than watching no racing at all!!!

[street legal go-kart]

Thats Roger.
After spending my youth in roundy round cars I think I can issue the following ,I challenge any naysayer to come to the central valley and I will arrange to put you in a Toyota spec series car with a qualified driver and three other guys on the track at the same time and you will get out of the car running to your car for your checkbook or wallet with the biggest ass smile on your face ever.
Period.
I raced limited open wheel mods for 10 years and roundy round or not there is no more fun or competitive series around.
Imagine plugging in a 10-15 million dollar budget for a two car team and the finest engineering support available short of NASA.
Sounds like fun to me.

JT

[wbergtho]

I've posted mostly negaitive comments regarding NASCAR but I'll actually tune in once Toyota fields a car this year (or is it next year?). I heard on the radio today that Toyota has decided to enter a Camry into NASCAR racing.

P.S. I finally figured out how to turn the Caps Lock off. Maybe there's hope for me becoming a big NASCAR fan someday? (NOT!)

[KaptKaos]

QUOTE (wbergtho @ Jan 23 2006, 03:50 PM)

P.S. I finally figured out how to turn the Caps Lock off. Maybe there's hope for me becoming a big NASCAR fan someday? (NOT!)

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Very cool. BTW: I drive through your town twice a year on my vacation. I head from MSP, across Wisonsin and up 51 to the U.P. Nice part of the world you live in out there.

[kart54]

WOW,
Can't resist but should!
On another post you'll see that I tested my G prod 914 at Willow Springs motorsports park this weekend. It's a road course for those of you that don't live out west. What holds the track record there? A NASCAR stock car. Recently beat Michael Andretti's record in an Indy Car. Outdated technology Huh? Who are you kidding and what planet are you from?

Let's see; Jack Roush, Roger Penske, Joe Gibbs, A.J. Foyt and Parnelli Jones have all recently fielded NASCAR teams. Those names sound familiar to anybody on this site?

Some of the most famous names to me in NASCAR history; Mario Andretti, Parnelli Jones, Mark Donahue, Dan Gurney, A.J. Foyt, Al Unser (both Sr. and Jr.), Ron Fellows, Brian Simo, Robby Gordon (I can't stand him, but that's just personal, used to race with him and know him as a person) Ron Hornaday. Any of those names familiar to you road racers?

Some of the current drivers alma maters; MIT, University of Wisconsin, UCLA, USC. Not bad for a dumb bunch of hicks.

The Ford GT40 and Cobra (the real one not the mustang pretenders) are essentially NASCAR technology. Anybody want to argue with their results? As I recall they beat the Porsches, Mercedes, Ferraris and Alfas.

Recently several F1 racers tested NASCAR stock cars at the same time Jeff Gordon tested an F1 car. They weren't offered contracts, not fast enough. But Adrian Fernandez is drving a NASCAR BUSCH car and not doing very well along with several other current and former CART and IRL drivers at selected races

By the way, Paul Newman and Newman/Haas did sponsor and technically still do sponsor several NASCAR teams and Paul and Steve McQueen have both driven stock cars at different times. NASCAR's drivers are not only every bit as talented as open wheel and road racing drivers they ARE open wheel and road racing drivers. The most recent 24 hours of Daytona was a perfect example. A very large number of NASCAR drivers participated and won. Why did SCCA change their rules regarding fuel cells and fire systems? Dale Earnhardt Jrs. crash at Daytona in a Corvette road racing car in the 24 hour race.

Driven a NASCAR stock car and the Porsche. If I had the money I'd be in the stock car. The Porsche is alot cheaper to run but nowhere near as much fun.

Why is NASCAR so popular? The drivers are real people, or at least were. You can walk up and touch the cars and occasionally sit in them. Even drive them for less than the cost of a set of tires for my Porsche. They race in or near your home town and they are probably from there. (I grew up with Ron Hornaday, Sr and Jr and raced against Robby Gordon and Rick Mears). Looking at where most of us are from on this site you grew up with somebody from your hometown in a NASCAR stock car as well.

I was in Hilton Head for a conference last year. Was out to dinner and sat next to Felix Sabates (Owns several NASCAR teams as well as a HUGE yacht). Ended up talking to he and his family for most of the evening, just plain nice folks. Try doing that with Bernie Ecclestone or any of the F1 owners some time, not a chance in hell.

F1 is just a bunch of pretty boy, poser, actor wannabe, former lorry drivers who think they have talent because they drive for teams with more money than sense. And as far as technology goes, despite every type of "management known to man; fuel, engine, traction, suspension and brake; the F1 teams still can't build an engine or car that will last for 500 miles, that's some really great technology there. (yes, that is sarcasm).

Even though I run a G prod Porsche there is nothing that makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck like being passed by a BUSCH north car and a CRAFTSMAN truck who were being chased (Yes chased) by a pair of Archer brothers Vipers. Those push rod V8's haul the mail and they sound like it.

So, All hail NASCAR, the new king on the block. For those of you who hate the sport, like all motor racing, they will only be on top a little while before Americans get bored and a new type of racing takes over.

Please God, not rally or F1, the most boring racing ever invented the way it is run these days. Has there actually been a pass made on track in F1 in the last couple of years?

But when NASCAR is replaced I bet the France family and ISCA will own a big chunk of whatever the new kid on the block may be.
Just my 4 cents worth. (It was a long rant so must be more than 2).
Randy

[ws91420]

Other NASCAR drivers from different backgrounds

Boris Said Road racing
Tony Stewart USAC Sprints also has driven Indy races
Kasey Kahne USAC Sprints


Ryan Newman has a mechanical engineering degree.

[Brett W]

I went through this argument tonight with an F1 fan. NASCAR would not tell a group of potential fans to piss off like Senor Eccelstone did at Indy this year.

Someone else pointed out you can go down walk through the garages and talk to the drivers see the cars up close. Everything is fan accessible. Try that in F1. The drivers are as stuck up as the organizers.

Now this is from another forum I am on:


There is no symmetry on the chassis, suspension or body.

A simple oval track is made up of four turns.

The cassis is part of the suspnsion.

Left side and right side control arms are totally different.

The bodies are the shape of a wing in the plan view.

You must get the car as close to the ground as possible in the turns for both aero and CG.

The car has five inches of suspension travel.

A strip tape on front grill will change the handeling characteristics depending on where it is placed.

A car can be made to go from tight to neurtal to loose by adjusting the rebound in the left front shock.

A car can be made to go from tight to neutral to loose by adjusting the angle of the right upper contol are in either the side view or the front view.

A car can be made to go from tight to neutral to loose by adjusting the tire pressure in the right rear 1.5 psi.

A car can be made to go from tight to neutral to loose by adjusting the angle of the track bar a few turns.

A car can be made to go from tight to neutral to loose by changing the spring rate in any of the positions in the car.

The list goes on and on.

Each of these changes affects other corners on the track differently.

What do you change that fixes on problem without crearting another.

What combination of changes do you make to take care of all the problems.

These are not just simple roundy roundy cars. F1 engineers would be completely lost.

[jbegood2000]

Your comment on the income made me wonder....is that a good wage ($55k + -) in the south? Not to sound like a smartass but that is what dumb hillbillies make out here...I was blown by the reference. Hell if that's cheap to live there I'm movin' (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smoke.gif)

[wbergtho]

Hey Joe,

Thanks for the nice compliments regarding my surroundings. Rural Wisconsin, Minnesota and the U.P are quite nice in the summer. Unfortunately we must pay for our beautiful summers with a bit of fridgid weather. Personally, I love California a hell of alot more than where I live. There are so many reasons why...but the ability to drive a sports car year round is top on my list. I have to flip the heater on in the garage and wait another hour before I can even think of going out there to dink around on my 914.

Next time you are in the neighborhood, you should let me know. You could stop by, talk 914 jargon, drive my nasty 914 LS6 V-8, have a drink (if you are so inclined), and spend the night if you'd like. I like to "bro-down" my fellow 914 friends whenever possible.

Later,

Bill

[KaptKaos]

QUOTE (wbergtho @ Jan 23 2006, 08:25 PM)

Hey Joe, Thanks for the nice compliments regarding my surroundings. Rural Wisconsin, Minnesota and the U.P are quite nice in the summer. Unfortunately we must pay for our beautiful summers with a bit of fridgid weather. Personally, I love California a hell of alot more than where I live. There are so many reasons why...but the ability to drive a sports car year round is top on my list.  I have to flip the heater on in the garage and wait another hour before I can even think of going out there to dink around on my 914. Next time you are in the neighborhood, you should let me know. You could stop by, talk 914 jargon, drive my nasty 914 LS6 V-8, have a drink (if you are so inclined), and spend the night if you'd like. I like to "bro-down" my fellow 914 friends whenever possible. Later, Bill

Bill,

Thanks for the offer. Be careful, I have a wife and three kids under the age of 6, so you might want to rethink that. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Isn't it funny how we seem to like each other's climate?

As far as that V-8 goes, I already know better. I can get into enough trouble with 80 HP, I certainly don't need 380.

Thanks for turning off the caps lock, I for one appreciate it.

As for NASCAR, I think my biggest issue is that the drivers are the stars. The cars (other then the 83 Thunderbird) are meaningless.

Stay warm.

- Joe

.ps I drove to work today (and home) with the top off (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mueba.gif)

[Porcharu]

What happened to why we hate so much NASCAR on Speed? What I hate is that NASCAR has turned into just another stupid ball sport where incredibly boring people TALK about what is about to happen and then talk even more about what allready happened. Find a radio station that covers football - they will spend 8-10 hours on one silly game. The same thing is going on at Speed. Talk crap on NASCAR, history stuff, replays of replays while other forms of racing are happening live and being ignored.
I'll be the 1st to admit that F1 has gotten stupid (if they stop running SPA to run some stupid street course style new track I'm done and will never watch again) and boring and pointless and.....
There is lots of good racing on Speed and I want more of it, and less crap alot less crap. Of course I could just cancel my sat TV and give my TV set to goodwill and be better for it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

[messix]

QUOTE (srbliss @ Jan 23 2006, 10:11 PM)

What happened to why we hate so much NASCAR on Speed? What I hate is that NASCAR has turned into just another stupid ball sport where incredibly boring people TALK about what is about to happen and then talk even more about what allready happened. Find a radio station that covers football - they will spend 8-10 hours on one silly game. The same thing is going on at Speed. Talk crap on NASCAR, history stuff, replays of replays while other forms of racing are happening live and being ignored. I'll be the 1st to admit that F1 has gotten stupid (if they stop running SPA to run some stupid street course style new track I'm done and will never watch again) and boring and pointless and..... There is lots of good racing on Speed and I want more of it, and less crap alot less crap. Of course I could just cancel my sat TV and give my TV set to goodwill and be better for it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

goodwood is good, i've gotta go over there to see it. i have family very close to there and i think my unlce knows the "old man".
and the issue with the over abundance of nascar talk,review, day in the life of shows has gone over board. this comming from a long time nascar among many other motor sports fan.

[Brett W]

If I live in Huntsville AL and make 55K a year, I would have to make 83K to live in Stockton CA.
http://www.homefair.com/homefair/servlet/A...000&ownrent=own

That statistic is actually wrong. It is much higher, 68K$. Check it out here:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=476206

Dumb hillbillies? Maybe the F1 guys are a little to snobby for the rest of the world.