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[Mugs914]

QUOTE (Brett W @ Jan 23 2006, 08:09 PM)

These are not just simple roundy roundy cars. F1 engineers would be completely lost.

I don't know about completely lost, but you have a good point. These things are the most highly developed example of mid 1960s racing technology you will find anywhere. Most F1 engineers have never worked with anything that archaic in their lives.

That being said, I have said for years that the only people in NASCAR that impress me are the crew chiefs. These are the guys who win those races. Thats why I find it ironic that NASCARs real stock in trade is driver worship. A good driver can make up a bit for an ill-handling road race car, but if a circle track car isn't set up correctly he's dust. One of the best tips I ever got was to read Circle Track magazine and learn what those guys know about set up.

I personally think NASCAR races are dull and don't watch at all, but I have nothing against it except for the excessive TV coverage. I resent that we can't get a road race broadcast more than once when the NASCAR "race" is shown over and over along with endless repeats of every innane reveiw and chat show, discussing things like what "number 29's" lead semi truck driver prefers in footware... Bah....

Oh, and lets not talk about the number passes in F1 versus NASCAR, lets talk about the number of passes that MATTER...

[Brett W]

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That being said, I have said for years that the only people in NASCAR that impress me are the crew chiefs. These are the guys who win those races. Thats why I find it ironic that NASCARs real stock in trade is driver worship. A good driver can make up a bit for an ill-handling road race car, but if a circle track car isn't set up correctly he's dust. One of the best tips I ever got was to read Circle Track magazine and learn what those guys know about set up. I personally think NASCAR races are dull and don't watch at all, but I have nothing against it except for the excessive TV coverage. I resent that we can't get a road race broadcast more than once when the NASCAR "race" is shown over and over along with endless repeats of every innane reveiw and chat show, discussing things like what "number 29's" lead semi truck driver prefers in footware... Bah....

This 1960s technology has come so far that the car handles differently with a change of four tires. They are that sensitive.

I don't watch NASCAR except when they run the road courses. I run with the stock car boys when we historic racing. They are pretty cool. Those cars haul ass.

[Porcharu]

QUOTE (Brett W @ Jan 23 2006, 09:48 PM)

If I live in Huntsville AL and make 55K a year, I would have to make 83K to live in Stockton CA. http://www.homefair.com/homefair/servlet/A...000&ownrent=own That statistic is actually wrong.  It is much higher, 68K$.  Check it out here: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=476206 Dumb hillbillies?  Maybe the F1 guys are a little to snobby for the rest of the world.

Try someplace a little more expensive
http://www.homefair.com/homefair/servlet/A...340&ownrent=own
Totally nuts - I need to move. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)

[Brett W]

Holy *&^#*&$%$@*&@^#&@*&$*&@#^$*&@^*$&^@*&$*&@^))(#*)&#%(&

Now you see why I have no interest in CA. I live in a city with the second largest Research park in the Country, Barber Motorsports park is 2 hours away, Nashville, it 2hours away, Road Atlanta is 4, etc. We have great weather. great people and good racing. Nothing in CA worth messing with.


Guess we "dumb hillbillies" aren't so dumb after all.

[WRX914]

I see both sides of the coin on this one...

the one thing that Nascar has over open wheel racing is the personalities of the drivers and teams. When was the last time an open wheel driver hung out with the fans and did not have a huge chip on their shoulder? The Nascar guys seem to be a little more down to earth. I was fortunate enough to be envited to Chip Ganassi's racing center in The Carolinas, we hung out with Jamie McMurry and his crew and Mario Andretti... Got pics with him and Jamie. After the festivities were over, Jamie gave me his cell phone number and still talk to him to this day. This expierance changed my opinion of Nascar, once you open your mind to oval racing, it is kinda fun to watch.

[Porcharu]

I have fond memories of Trans Am racing back in the good old days of 82'- 85' most of the drivers and crews were very friendly and outgoing. I remember one driver came over to me and held the door open so I could get a better picture and suggested a better lens for racing pics. I'm pretty certain that is no longer the case when a one car costs more than many spent over the whole season. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

[street legal go-kart]

Take a look at both Randy/Kart54 and Brett W.s previous posts and while your at it see my previous post.

Free ride and not a nasayer took me up on my offer.

Probably afraid that they would need to check their panties after a quick lap.
I have to disagree with Brett however as far as the West is concerned.
I live within 4 hours pulling a car carrier from Infineon,Laguna Seca,Fontana,Willow Springs,Thunder Hill,ect, ect, ect.
The fastest 1/3rd mile pavement oval in the world is 50 minutes fromn my front door.
Nuff said.
By the way I compete in only events that have both left and right turns (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)


Still no takers on a ride at Madera?

Thats what I thought.

JT

[Racing916]

hey street legal go cart,

I agree with you, but can I get a ride anyways, it sounds like fun, and i will even wear a diaper just in case

[MattR]

QUOTE (indydad @ Jan 23 2006, 07:02 AM)

NASCAR "technology"? What, hi-tech lug nuts? Lightweight gas cans and floor jacks? carbon fiber push rods or plastic carburetor? How about making the front ends stiffer so they can bang, rub and bump and stay on the track. It cost them a few drivers, but the sponsors are happy. Besides, no fans grieve like NASCAR fans. And they still are making money on a dead guy! Win, win situation. NASCAR is the joke of motosports. Entertainment? Yes, Motorsport? NO. Pop culture at it's best. old dad

I know I shouldnt let ignorant posters bother me, but this really struck a nerve. How can you say that? Just because they have carbs and pushrods (like a type 4? and nobody calls jake a dumb hick...) doesnt mean they're crap. There is way more technology in nascar motors then any other motor (except F1) because there is more money in the sport. I'm a firm believer that money dictates technology. F1 teams can afford to spend billion in R&D. The only other motorsport that can say that is Nascar. Porsche doesnt spend billions on R&D on their engines for ALMS because the competition isnt as tight and its not worth the money.

I've seen 3 really exciting races in the last few years where I was standing and yelling at the TV. Two were oval racing (one was IRL the other was Nascar). Grand am doesnt do that for me. Dont get me wrong, I still watch way more grand am and alms racing then nascar, but its really exciting racing.

[Porcharu]

QUOTE (street legal go-kart @ Jan 28 2006, 10:18 AM)

Take a look at both Randy/Kart54 and Brett  W.s previous posts and while your at it see my previous post. Free ride and not a nasayer took me up on my offer. Probably afraid that they would need to check their panties after a quick lap. I have to disagree with Brett however as far as the West is concerned. I live within 4 hours pulling a car carrier from Infineon,Laguna Seca,Fontana,Willow Springs,Thunder Hill,ect, ect, ect. The fastest 1/3rd mile pavement oval in the world is 50 minutes fromn my front door. Nuff said. By the way I compete in only events that have both left and right turns (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) Still no takers on a ride at Madera? Thats what I thought. JT

OK. I'll bite how do I get a ride? I'm not really a naysayer do I still count?

This post has been edited by srbliss: Jan 29 2006, 10:21 PM

[ChicagoChris]

QUOTE (MattR @ Jan 28 2006, 10:50 AM)

QUOTE (indydad @ Jan 23 2006, 07:02 AM) NASCAR "technology"? What, hi-tech lug nuts? Lightweight gas cans and floor jacks? carbon fiber push rods or plastic carburetor? How about making the front ends stiffer so they can bang, rub and bump and stay on the track. It cost them a few drivers, but the sponsors are happy. Besides, no fans grieve like NASCAR fans. And they still are making money on a dead guy! Win, win situation. NASCAR is the joke of motosports. Entertainment? Yes, Motorsport? NO. Pop culture at it's best. old dad I know I shouldnt let ignorant posters bother me, but this really struck a nerve. How can you say that? Just because they have carbs and pushrods (like a type 4? and nobody calls jake a dumb hick...) doesnt mean they're crap. There is way more technology in nascar motors then any other motor (except F1) because there is more money in the sport. I'm a firm believer that money dictates technology. F1 teams can afford to spend billion in R&D. The only other motorsport that can say that is Nascar. Porsche doesnt spend billions on R&D on their engines for ALMS because the competition isnt as tight and its not worth the money. I've seen 3 really exciting races in the last few years where I was standing and yelling at the TV. Two were oval racing (one was IRL the other was Nascar). Grand am doesnt do that for me. Dont get me wrong, I still watch way more grand am and alms racing then nascar, but its really exciting racing.

There is way more technology in nascar motors then any other motor (except F1) because there is more money in the sport.

That is crap! Sorry Matt. These motors are built within .0001 of their lives but the technology is OLD. The motor in the Vette is running more technology then the "Good 'OL Boys". Advanced efi mapping, with varriable cam timing, individual coil packs, and a dozen other things that NASCAR can't. They are built better not more advanced.

[messix]

oh you are so misinformed. the head work the the nascar teams have done was the seed for the factory to get the smog legal power that their getting. the restrictor plate motors have so much head development that allows power and fuel effiecentcy. the r&d that roushe and hedricks and others that i can't recall right now have brought the motor you call old to the same level of refinement as doc motors that were first built in the 20's
duesenberg, alfa, mercedes, and so many more. the only new tech out now is computer driven systems and so many racing series out there regulate against. ala f1 with traction control and active suspenstion.
so take that ! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/bootyshake.gif)

[Porcharu]

Arg!!!! Look at Speed right now - some BS show about crap - speed freaks - while the rolex 24 hour is in progress. I hate it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)

[Porcharu]

QUOTE (messix @ Jan 28 2006, 01:29 PM)

oh you are so misinformed. the head work the the nascar teams have done was the seed for the factory to get the smog legal power that their getting. the restrictor plate motors have so much head development that allows power and fuel effiecentcy. the r&d that roushe and hedricks and others that i can't recall right now have brought the motor you call old to the same level of refinement as doc motors that were first built in the 20's duesenberg, alfa, mercedes, and so many more. the only new tech out now is computer driven systems and so many racing series out there regulate against. ala f1 with traction control and active suspenstion. so take that ! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/bootyshake.gif)

What are you talking about. They don't even sell cars with heads like that on any production car (at least any car body style NASCAR allows to race.) Ford hasn't sold a gas engine with pushrods for a long time (I think it sucks - the "old" engines are smaller and lighter and make more power.) I'm the first one to cheer GM (and I'm a Ford guy) for making a 500+ hp old school engine.

[alpha434]

Wow. We've been at this for along time. Um yeah. Nascar engines aren't that high tolerance. They just take the blocks that the factory sells them. And if I know machinists, then it's some idiot kid like me making them. (I spent a lot of time making missiles.) Besides, After just half a race, those tolerances are blown to hell.

And I think the single worst part of NASCAR is the fans. Have you ever seen a race where some guy LOST because he had a god damn hotdog wrapper attached to his grill!?!?!

NASCAR FANS SUCK!!!

[ChicagoChris]

-Messix - I don't get it. You seem to be implying that head work = technology. R&D yes. Technology NO! I never said they don't do R&D and I never once implied they don't spend money. And I know the NASCAR motors have let the factory do great things with street engines. But the factory takes the race findings and uses them as a starting point not a finish line. The street car has alot more to be concerned with and applys "technology" to that. Race engines make gobs of power with $$$. Street engines have to take that head R&D and then become affordable to produce. They are making better power with fuel mileage thanks to computers.


- Alpha - I'm not sure that the teams even use a block supplied by the factory. I never heard of a V8 Taraus. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

[black73]

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NASCAR FANS SUCK!!!

Now was that really necessary? Making your point with name calling and stereotyping weakens your argument.
Be nice.

[alpha434]

Ok fine.

But if you search the rules, its not allowed that a nascar team buy the block from anyone but the factory. And I guess they could machine it out a little more once they get it, but otherwise its whatever the factory will supply. Now that doesn't mean that nascar would ever think about letting the taraus run with a v-6. It would make it too light and might even give it an edge on the street courses. It just means that the block has a Ford or GM part number on it.

[street legal go-kart]

We all have benefited from any racing program by the develpmental work done by teams in search fo 'The Edge'.
This site is a perfect example of people who have a common goal and pool resources to reach that goal.

I have to agree about an overload of programing towards NASCAR but as well as wheeled racing I would like to see some of the Water series ala 1/4 mile boats and Unlimited hydros as well as some of the grassroot stuff and maybe the RENO Airaces?

PM me during the season at Madera a couple of weeks in advance if you a serious about a ride.

JT

[Porcharu]

QUOTE (alpha434 @ Jan 28 2006, 11:06 PM)

Nascar engines aren't that high tolerance. They just take the blocks that the factory sells them. And if I know machinists, then it's some idiot kid like me making them. (I spent a lot of time making missiles.) Besides, After just half a race, those tolerances are blown to hell. !

I guess you have never seen or read about these engines. Do you really think a tossed together engine made from production garbage is going to run at 9000RPM for 3-4 hours? Nothing on those engines is production based, all of it has been developed specifically for racing for a long, long time by some very smart people - that's why they can go so damn fast using old tech and really restrictive rules.

I'm starting to sound like a fan now (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) - I still hate the over coverage and the stupid talk shows about NASCAR.