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| SirAndy |
 Oct 29 2009, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 29 2009, 09:32 AM)  Guys...the car is as solid as can be (well...almost). Just as i thought ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| ChrisFoley |
Oct 29 2009, 12:01 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,934 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None 
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Pic 2 looks like there was a repair at the rear of the long, where the black spray-on undercoat is.
Pic 3 shows a questionable repair done to the floor/inner long.It may be strong but certainly isn't faithful to the way the floor and long were originally assembled. The firewall has two layers at the bottom 6". They are roughly one or two inches apart. The floor often rots between the two, from water that gets inside and can't get out. |
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| ChrisFoley |
Oct 29 2009, 12:02 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,934 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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Sir Andy beat me to it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| ChrisFoley |
Oct 29 2009, 12:05 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,934 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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Keep digging Ken!
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| jasons |
Oct 29 2009, 12:12 PM
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Jackstand Extraordinaire Group: Members Posts: 2,002 Joined: 19-August 04 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 2,573 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 29 2009, 10:52 AM) Yeah, the long should fold the other direction. What I don't get is, I don't see the coincident repairs that usually occur with the repairs that were done. If that inner long was repaired, why does the outer long look OK? I would think if the inner long needed repair that bad, wouldn't the outside long be bad too? |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Oct 29 2009, 12:25 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I assume they were both done. Anyway...even though you guys wouldnt have done it the way it was done, I don't care about originality and it's way too strong and nice for me to go redoing it for my purposes. I'll keep poking underneath where I showed it was "soft". The car basically sat for 20 years in a garage after the longs and upper hell hole were repaired, so I'm also assuming that whatever wasn't taken care of simply rotted away even though the car was then out of the weather and wasn't getting any more water intrusion from above. I'm also assuming (please correct me) that the entire longs were replaced...inner and outer.
QUOTE(jasons @ Oct 29 2009, 02:12 PM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 29 2009, 10:52 AM) Yeah, the long should fold the other direction. What I don't get is, I don't see the coincident repairs that usually occur with the repairs that were done. If that inner long was repaired, why does the outer long look OK? I would think if the inner long needed repair that bad, wouldn't the outside long be bad too? |
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| jasons |
Oct 29 2009, 12:36 PM
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Jackstand Extraordinaire Group: Members Posts: 2,002 Joined: 19-August 04 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 2,573 Region Association: None |
I don't know. The outter long looks original to me. Probably, it was repaired aft of the jack point. It seems to me with the extent of that inner repair you would see more evidence of an outter long repair. But, I'm beyond the edge of my expertise here.
FWIW I'm in the middle of hell hole/firewall repair myself. |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Oct 29 2009, 12:40 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Probably the "soft" area I showed in my first shot?
QUOTE(Racer Chris @ Oct 29 2009, 02:01 PM) Pic 2 looks like there was a repair at the rear of the long, where the black spray-on undercoat is. Pic 3 shows a questionable repair done to the floor/inner long.It may be strong but certainly isn't faithful to the way the floor and long were originally assembled. The firewall has two layers at the bottom 6". They are roughly one or two inches apart. The floor often rots between the two, from water that gets inside and can't get out. |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Oct 29 2009, 12:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Nah...you thought I was gonna find nothing but cancer in there and need to get out my torch, gas, hatchet and wallet! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 29 2009, 01:52 PM) QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 29 2009, 09:32 AM) Guys...the car is as solid as can be (well...almost). Just as i thought ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Oct 29 2009, 12:46 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,677 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 29 2009, 10:42 AM) Nah...you thought I was gonna find nothing but cancer in there and need to get out my torch, gas, hatchet and wallet! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That was the other thought ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Andy |
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| FourBlades |
Oct 29 2009, 12:51 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,055 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States
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This thread is making me nostalgic about fixing rust holes... I have so much better idea how to do it now, I can't wait to work on welding up my next car. John |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Oct 29 2009, 12:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Same with these other guys. Otherwise somebody would have said, "ATTAKen...great find...nowhere near as bad as we thought or it could have been". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
QUOTE(FourBlades @ Oct 29 2009, 02:51 PM) This thread is making me nostalgic about fixing rust holes... I have so much better idea how to do it now, I can't wait to work on welding up my next car. John |
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| rjames |
Oct 29 2009, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 29 2009, 10:52 AM) QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 29 2009, 09:32 AM) Guys...the car is as solid as can be (well...almost). Just as i thought ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) If you can, lift the rest of the carpet up there and the threshold piece and take another photo if you can. I'm curious to see where the top welds are on the inner long piece that was put in by the PO. |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Oct 29 2009, 02:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Love you, but not that much. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
QUOTE(rjames @ Oct 29 2009, 04:35 PM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 29 2009, 10:52 AM) QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 29 2009, 09:32 AM) Guys...the car is as solid as can be (well...almost). Just as i thought ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) If you can, lift the rest of the carpet up there and the threshold piece and take another photo if you can. I'm curious to see where the top welds are on the inner long piece that was put in by the PO. |
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| rjames |
Oct 29 2009, 05:21 PM
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I'm made of metal Group: Members Posts: 3,955 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 29 2009, 01:58 PM) Love you, but not that much. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) QUOTE(rjames @ Oct 29 2009, 04:35 PM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 29 2009, 10:52 AM) QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 29 2009, 09:32 AM) Guys...the car is as solid as can be (well...almost). Just as i thought ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) If you can, lift the rest of the carpet up there and the threshold piece and take another photo if you can. I'm curious to see where the top welds are on the inner long piece that was put in by the PO. By threshold piece, I mean that strip of metal that keeps the carpet in place on the top of the long. It's held in by screws. I did not mean that you should cut into the long. |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Oct 29 2009, 06:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I know...don't even love you enough to undo the screws. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Oct 29 2009, 06:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Guess you guys were right. The seats were out so I stepped in to work on the dash and my foot went right through the floor. The entire floor pan caved in leaving a huge hole and the rest of the floor in between the tunnel and the long depressed a good 4-5" ! Now the doors won't even open. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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| neil30076 |
Oct 29 2009, 07:09 PM
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Recovering dismantler! Group: Members Posts: 397 Joined: 12-September 06 From: San Diego ( RB) CA Member No.: 6,826 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 29 2009, 05:59 PM) Guess you guys were right. The seats were out so I stepped in to work on the dash and my foot went right through the floor. The entire floor pan caved in leaving a huge hole and the rest of the floor in between the tunnel and the long depressed a good 4-5" ! Now the doors won't even open. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Ken, i hoped you were joking, but i see you are not - look on the bright side, you have a project for teh winter. Good luck, hang in there. |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Oct 29 2009, 07:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Nah...the car is wonderful...just wanted to see what kinda wood I could generate for Sir Andy and Chris. Bet they got excited for a post or two! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
QUOTE(neil30076 @ Oct 29 2009, 09:09 PM) QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 29 2009, 05:59 PM) Guess you guys were right. The seats were out so I stepped in to work on the dash and my foot went right through the floor. The entire floor pan caved in leaving a huge hole and the rest of the floor in between the tunnel and the long depressed a good 4-5" ! Now the doors won't even open. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Ken, i hoped you were joking, but i see you are not - look on the bright side, you have a project for teh winter. Good luck, hang in there. |
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| neil30076 |
Oct 29 2009, 07:23 PM
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Recovering dismantler! Group: Members Posts: 397 Joined: 12-September 06 From: San Diego ( RB) CA Member No.: 6,826 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 29 2009, 06:15 PM) Nah...the car is wonderful...just wanted to see what kinda wood I could generate for Sir Andy and Chris. Bet they got excited for a post or two! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) QUOTE(neil30076 @ Oct 29 2009, 09:09 PM) QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 29 2009, 05:59 PM) Guess you guys were right. The seats were out so I stepped in to work on the dash and my foot went right through the floor. The entire floor pan caved in leaving a huge hole and the rest of the floor in between the tunnel and the long depressed a good 4-5" ! Now the doors won't even open. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Ken, i hoped you were joking, but i see you are not - look on the bright side, you have a project for teh winter. Good luck, hang in there. Luv ya, man, you make this whole site worth visiting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) |
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