Rally racer leaves scene of crash, Having wiped out several people. Options

[Randal]

Check out the video

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/26/j...c_n_403957.html

Rally racing, truly a spectator sport.

[J P Stein]

Who is the bigger idiot, the driver or the folks standing next to the course?
Tough call.
Do you suppose the driver offered proof of insurance before leaving? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[messix]

it looked like they were inside the safety fence that was there to protect spectators. and that to me makes those spectators responsible for what ever happens to themselves. and that makes them part of the race environment.....

the driver is not responsible for their safety, he is racing and should not have to concern his self with who's stupid enough to bring their 10 year old daughter on to the rack track mere feet from a bunch of cars that routinely go off course.

and don't we love the media that can't help but sensationalize things to "make" news.

[Randal]

Who is the bigger idiot, the driver or the folks standing next to the course?
Tough call.
Do you suppose the driver offered proof of insurance before leaving? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You think?

Pretty unbelievable really. There were people on both sides of the road, with a fence keeping them from moving out of the way. A new defination for Blind Faith.

[ME733]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ....Survival of the fittest, Darwins theory at work again, just another example of an elemination from the gene pool of those people with real STUPIDITY. so life goes on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) murray

[J P Stein]

The driver's error was leaving. He's lucky he wasn't stoned. Even hero race car drivers need to show a bit of empathy for those he injured (even it he feels none)or risk the consequences.

The twits on the wrong side of the fence aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.
It's stupidy like this that will probably one day eliminate public road rallying.
The ones to make out here will be the lawyers.

[ghuff]

The driver's error was leaving. He's lucky he wasn't stoned. Even hero race car drivers need to show a bit of empathy for those he injured (even it he feels none)or risk the consequences.

The twits on the wrong side of the fence aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.
It's stupidy like this that will probably one day eliminate public road rallying.
The ones to make out here will be the lawyers.

This. I sense stupidity on both sides and lawyers profit from that always.

[whatabout1]

That's why the Group B cars were banned.

Stupid spectators ! Rally cars are going to reck !!

[SirAndy]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ....Survival of the fittest, Darwins theory at work again, just another example of an elemination from the gene pool of those people with real STUPIDITY. so life goes on.

Finally, something we can agree on ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Andy

[Randal]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ....Survival of the fittest, Darwins theory at work again, just another example of an elemination from the gene pool of those people with real STUPIDITY. so life goes on.

Finally, something we can agree on ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Andy

Hard to believe the political police haven't shut these down.

[EdwardBlume]

Geez. Its completely like running with the bulls. You ought to know that a potential outcome is death and plan accordingly.. or not.

[tat2dphreak]

Geez. Its completely like running with the bulls. You ought to know that a potential outcome is death and plan accordingly.. or not.

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they took their life and limb, and put it in harms way for the sake of what? a better picture?

as far as the driver, I'd probably have done the same thing... he was out there doing a JOB, a job in which his paycheck is completely hinged on performance. stopping and waiting would mean a huge delay. and while it might have gained him some popularity, it wouldn't put more food on his family's table. the only racer that seems to get paid more despite losing is in F1.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

I also don't see cameramen getting paid by television to stop filming and run over and help, either... they are doing THEIR job at at that time too...

this guy is probably not an EMT, and would not be able to render any aid. wtf is he supposed to do, according to the racing rules?

[J P Stein]

wtf is he supposed to do, according to the racing rules?

If you have to ask, any reason would be lost on you. You must be of the "it's all about me" generation rather than the "do unto others......" generation.
It is possible for you to rationalize your way out of anything.

[Downunderman]

Audi Group B. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vky1uh_kCf0

Perhaps why they were banned.

[tat2dphreak]

wtf is he supposed to do, according to the racing rules?

If you have to ask, any reason would be lost on you. You must be of the "it's all about me" generation rather than the "do unto others......" generation.
It is possible for you to rationalize your way out of anything.

he is in the middle of doing his job, a job in which others depend on him to do his part. if the rules say "do not stop" or say explicitly "you must stop and obey the rules of the road as you would if it weren't a race... " 2 completely different scenarios.

I'm not trying to be heartless, but he, as a driver, did not tell those people to stand in front of the fence, and he did not intentionally run into them,I'm sure he would have much rather made the turn like the other drivers, but it was an accident. he had to make a choice, stop and wait for EMS, or finish the job that was set before him to do. I'm just saying I would have probably had to make the same call under the circumstances.

[J P Stein]

wtf is he supposed to do, according to the racing rules?

If you have to ask, any reason would be lost on you. You must be of the "it's all about me" generation rather than the "do unto others......" generation.
It is possible for you to rationalize your way out of anything.

he is in the middle of doing his job, a job in which others depend on him to do his part. if the rules say "do not stop" or say explicitly "you must stop and obey the rules of the road as you would if it weren't a race... " 2 completely different scenarios.

I'm not trying to be heartless, but he, as a driver, did not tell those people to stand in front of the fence, and he did not intentionally run into them,I'm sure he would have much rather made the turn like the other drivers, but it was an accident. he had to make a choice, stop and wait for EMS, or finish the job that was set before him to do. I'm just saying I would have probably had to make the same call under the circumstances.

Fuck the supposed "race rules", again, that is a rationalzation. I was raised to "man up" for things I had some responsibility for. As I see it, he had the duty as a man to, at the very least, insure that everything possible was being done to help every one of those idiots......they were uninjured till he came along. He showed less compasion than I would should a dog run under my car.

As for you, there's a saying in the Corps: I'm glad we found out about you before we hit the beach.

[tat2dphreak]

think what you want, but I really do not know what good it would have done for him to wait for authorities. I would have surely checked on them, but I'd have been helpless staying. I'm not saying he shouldn't own up to his accident, either. it was an accident, and should have been avoided by people staying behind the fence that was there to protect them, it would have given them more time to respond and move out of the way, too.

what it really comes down to is this, is this the same as it would be if he was just a normal guy driving down the street, or is a race different? I say that in a race it's different. and certainly completely different than "hitting the beach"

my reasoning is the people that depend on him the most were not the ones on the side of the road.

[IronHillRestorations]

In 90% of the rally footage you see people with no regard for their own safety.

In the video Howard posted you can see people in the middle of the road anticipating the oncoming car, and they part like the red sea only moments before the car gets there.

All of this aside, sure the race car driver can't help the people he hit, and yes those people are boneheads for standing in what amounts to a run off area, but not stopping to check the condition of people you smack with your car is IMHO not acceptable regardless of the venue.

[tat2dphreak]

maybe I'm flat wrong.. it's happened before (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

also, maybe it's easy for us to say, either way what we think we would do. if it really happened we might do something different, based on what we see at that moment in time. I might see someone hurt and have to stop, or I might think they weren't hurt and drive off. I'll say this... I hope none of us have to make the choice.

[6freak]

Audi Group B. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vky1uh_kCf0

Perhaps why they were banned.

lets put the blessed Michael shumaucker (prolly spelled wrong )or blessed Jimmy Johnson in the Audi and see what they can do ....like i said before WRC are the best drivers in the world......as far as crashing into folks IMO both partys are at fault