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Master cylinder, Installation issues |
jsaum |
Dec 28 2009, 01:14 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 530 Joined: 12-June 07 From: Everett, WA Member No.: 7,809 Region Association: None |
Anyone have advice on the best way to get the reservoir tubes and grommets into to the master cylinder? I couldn't get them to slip in with the grommets in the master cylinder so I tried pushing them on the metal tubes and then pressing them in neither way is working. I have every thing else in place.
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ArtechnikA |
Dec 28 2009, 05:09 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
Anyone have advice on the best way to get the reservoir tubes and grommets into to the master cylinder? search before starting work... QUOTE ...I have every thing else in place. This is your problem.Detach the tubes from the reservoir and pull them down and out of the car. remove the MC from the car and insert the tubes and grommets ON THE BENCH where you can get leverage from above. Then thread the tubes back up through their holes, remount the MC, reattach the hard lines, ta da. |
GeorgeRud |
Dec 28 2009, 06:50 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Rich's way is by far the best way, but if you really want, I had success by heating a closed end wrench, bending it 90 degrees, cutting it to make a kind of crowsfoot wrench, and putting a screwdriver through the other side to make a handle. Fitting the bent end over, cut end over the grommet and tube, it should hang down below the master cylinder. You then simply hang off the handle, curse the fellow that designed this, and pray that the grommets pop into place!
Honestly, the bench assembly is much easier on your nerves! |
DBCooper |
Dec 28 2009, 07:31 AM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
There are aftermarket M/C's that I swear won't fit no matter what. If you're trying to install in one of those try re-using the ATE grommets (they don't seem to wear out) taken out of the M/C being replaced, put them in the new M/C, THEN try these tricks.
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jsaum |
Dec 28 2009, 10:39 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 530 Joined: 12-June 07 From: Everett, WA Member No.: 7,809 Region Association: None |
There are aftermarket M/C's that I swear won't fit no matter what. If you're trying to install in one of those try re-using the ATE grommets (they don't seem to wear out) taken out of the M/C being replaced, put them in the new M/C, THEN try these tricks. Thanks for the tips I'll pull the lines and start over practice is always good! |
SLITS |
Dec 28 2009, 12:04 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
The aftermarket one is the Euro Parts one. They do not put the washers under the grommets and the grommets are slightly different. I reused the ATE washers and grommets and they popped right in.
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SUNAB914 |
Dec 29 2009, 08:55 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 698 Joined: 29-December 08 From: Fredericksburg VA Member No.: 9,880 Region Association: South East States |
I used two lockjaw pliers to pull down on the line. Probably some silicon spray on it too. It's a pain. I might try the pulling the lines from the resevoir next time.
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Cap'n Krusty |
Dec 29 2009, 09:50 AM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
"Pull the lines from the reservoir"? THAT sounds like the hardest way of all. Install the grommets and the washers, lube them with brake fluid, install the m/c, and pull the tubes in with a pair of needle nose vise grips and a sturdy hook tool. Sure it's hard, but so is life. Suck it up, folks. The Cap'n
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jsaum |
Dec 29 2009, 01:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 530 Joined: 12-June 07 From: Everett, WA Member No.: 7,809 Region Association: None |
"Pull the lines from the reservoir"? THAT sounds like the hardest way of all. Install the grommets and the washers, lube them with brake fluid, install the m/c, and pull the tubes in with a pair of needle nose vise grips and a sturdy hook tool. Sure it's hard, but so is life. Suck it up, folks. The Cap'n I bit the bullet and took the harder route pulling the gas tank! The master cylinder is in brake system is completly rebuilt and on to the next project the fuel system! Oh what fun! |
RiqueMar |
Dec 30 2009, 12:41 AM
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Enrique Allen Mar Group: Members Posts: 2,169 Joined: 28-August 08 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 9,478 Region Association: Southern California |
I'll be noting this topic in a few days. I was just cleaning off my resevoir and have a new bigger MC.
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rfuerst911sc |
Dec 30 2009, 04:32 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
Here's how I did it. Loosen the clamp that hold the reservoir to the bracket. You can now push both brake lines down with the reservoir attached. With the steering rack cover removed push the lines down about a foot or so. Now the lines are out in the open where you have leverage. With the master cylinder in your hand pop each line in, very easy because you have leverage. Then slide the lines up until the master cylinder is in place. Install master cylinder and then put reservoir in place and tighten clamp. This whole process took me about 10 minutes. More than one way to skin a cat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .
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etcmss |
Dec 30 2009, 06:16 AM
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etcmss Group: Members Posts: 183 Joined: 20-April 06 From: Lancaster, Ky Member No.: 5,899 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I did it your first way and struggled and was successful. it wasn't fun and didn't know better at the time that there was another way.
but now you have the gas tank out for the fuel system project. |
greenie |
Dec 30 2009, 07:54 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 873 Joined: 26-October 04 From: Trinidad Member No.: 3,013 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
"Pull the lines from the reservoir"? THAT sounds like the hardest way of all. Install the grommets and the washers, lube them with brake fluid, install the m/c, and pull the tubes in with a pair of needle nose vise grips and a sturdy hook tool. Sure it's hard, but so is life. Suck it up, folks. The Cap'n I bit the bullet and took the harder route pulling the gas tank! The master cylinder is in brake system is completly rebuilt and on to the next project the fuel system! Oh what fun! It's about time...how long have you been working on (talking) about getting this thing on the road? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Good progress ! I'll have the "Orange One" driving before your car see's the pavement. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
ppeters914 |
Dec 31 2009, 11:21 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 22-May 07 From: Lake Forest Park, WA Member No.: 7,751 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
This thread started about reinstalling the reservoir lines, but what about removing them?
I pulled the pedal cluster to rebuild, and discovered the brake master cylinder weeping. Disconnected the 3 brake lines, but damned if I could figure out how to disconnect those two lines on top of the master cylinder. The responses on this thread aren't clear to me. I get that you need to get slack in the reservoir lines, but you pull them all the way out? How the heck do you feed them back unless you have the gas tank out? Pete 71 1.7L |
ppeters914 |
Dec 31 2009, 11:33 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 22-May 07 From: Lake Forest Park, WA Member No.: 7,751 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Ack! Never mind. Found Pelican Parts tech article on upgrading the master cylinder. Apparently, the reservoir tubes are just an extremely tight press fit into grommets.
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jsaum |
Dec 31 2009, 12:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 530 Joined: 12-June 07 From: Everett, WA Member No.: 7,809 Region Association: None |
"Pull the lines from the reservoir"? THAT sounds like the hardest way of all. Install the grommets and the washers, lube them with brake fluid, install the m/c, and pull the tubes in with a pair of needle nose vise grips and a sturdy hook tool. Sure it's hard, but so is life. Suck it up, folks. The Cap'n I bit the bullet and took the harder route pulling the gas tank! The master cylinder is in brake system is completly rebuilt and on to the next project the fuel system! Oh what fun! It's about time...how long have you been working on (talking) about getting this thing on the road? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Good progress ! I'll have the "Orange One" driving before your car see's the pavement. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Cool then you can lend me the green one to drive! |
ArtechnikA |
Dec 31 2009, 01:00 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
I get that you need to get slack in the reservoir lines, but you pull them all the way out? How the heck do you feed them back unless you have the gas tank out? I don't remember - it was a mere 30 years ago... But I don't recall it being difficult. I'm thinking i took the grommets (not the MC grommets, the line/body-seal grommets) out from the top and then with the stiff lines it was a pretty straight shot up from the bottom. The lines are not quite 'just' a press-fit into the grommet. There is a flare at the base of the metal tube. So you pretty much have to pop the grommets out first and press them in last. John's method is much easier if the car is on a proper lift and you have room to use your arms and body weight to assist. If the car is on jackstands and you're lucky to be able to just get your arms bent, it's _really_ hard to manage with just the strength in your fingers. Especially if you don't do this kind of thing every day. |
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