Crashed 914 in Malaysia - Opinions please Options

[bdstone914]

I got a request for parts from this individual in Malaysia who wrecked his 914. I fear that the damage is worse then he thinks and may be difficult if not economically practical to fix the car.
It looks to me the the drivers long is crushed and I would not be surprised if the whole car is bent.
Your opinions please.

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[jim_hoyland]

These may show better detail...

[zymurgist]

Was there a passenger? It looks like that side took the brunt of the impact.

[Socalandy]

If you look at the accident scene photo you can see how the car is bowed up thru the middle. It sadly lines up with the curved slope.

Very Sad

[Katmanken]

Ouch!

Damage back behind the drivers door at the rollbar area- note the chrome strip up at the back of the rollbar is gone and that the rollbar area is bent in....

Floor is probably shaped like a pringle- arched up in the center (front to rear), and with the left side lifted up and the right side pushed down. Looking at the car from the top, I bet it looks like a ""C" with the opening of the "C" in the door area.

The front and rear wheels probably won't track a line...

If ya got money, it's fixable.

[jim_hoyland]

Was there a passenger? It looks like that side took the brunt of the impact.

No passenger.

[6freak]

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Big motor, no roll bar.

It does have a roll bar they all do ..thats prolly the only thing that did save him ...he could buy 3 just like it for what hes gonna spend fixing that one

[EdwardBlume]

There's what you see, and then what you don't see. I guarantee you that it will be a major effort to restore, but who knows... maybe in another 20 years, you'll be very glad you did....

[ConeDodger]

I can only speak for the Philippines but much of Asia is the same. The tax to import a car is 100% of the value. So for an example, a $20,000.00 car will cost you $40,000.00 before you turn the key. It is right hand drive and a 3.6 so figure it would cost at least that $20,000.00 + the import tax to replace it. Then, there is the other problem - it must be right hand drive.

Right now in the Philippines, my wife has a house and a condo. She employs two maids for $100.00 each per month to keep them up. The maids are extremely grateful for the $100.00 and are able to live quite well on that though they don't own homes or cars etc... We sent Lorie and Florife' $100 each as a bonus for Christmas and they called us in tears to thank us. Similarly, body men don't get paid what they do here. Human labor is cheap but not unskilled. There are no car manufacturers in Malaysia so they repair what most would write off. That develops skills American body shops have mostly forgotten. I mean no insult to American body men, it is just cultural. You cannot just buy a panel so they must repair it. Think more like ScottyB here, not your collision center down the street.

The other thing to consider is that if this gentleman owns this car he is at least by Malay standards quite wealthy. His biggest problem in this matter is getting the parts he needs.

I really think this car will get repaired. JMHO

[Mr.242]

Fixable. my .02 worth.


Here is my "crash investigation" with the limited picture I have.





The RED lines indicate that car had rotated and the rear/front crossed.

The LIME green indicate 'possible' contact damage with the guard rail
(I believe the guard rail to be in that design and NOT shoved into the weird bow due to impact)

The BLACK represent what I believe to have caused the damage to the car or what contacted. With more pictures I could tell you what it hit. But I believe it to be a sign post or some sort of turn warning. There are TWO posts in the picture. Look by the left rear tire. The post definitely hit the long or something low such as that post or it's concrete base. The post fell and struck the windscreen and passenger ooops, driver door. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Right handed drive car... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) LEFT DOOR obviously was struck. I would bet the post with the sign (by left rear tire) struck the upper part of the door and the windscreen/support.

THE PINK BOX. Here lies the WTF? question. How did this guy lose it BEFORE the turn. The red lines and dirt spray indicate the direction he is traveling. The driver lost this BEFORE getting to the APEX of the turn. So something happened such as getting a tire into the dirt or............................

A LOCK TIRE ALWAYS LEADS. This is why removing the proportioning valve is a BAD thing. When you pull the Parking Brake on a car is spins right? Well, the laws of physics cause that. A locked tire will always come around and lead! ALWAYS. I would bet the right side of the tires have scrub on the sidewalls. The vehicle rotated clockwise. So the driver had some sort of input.......

MY CONCLUSION: The driver was driving hard and fast. He comes down a straight with heavy right foot. He does his braking BEFORE the turn as required. But his heavy right foot touches the brakes too hard and with the removal of the proportioning valve the rear tires lock. The vehicle rotates and then the driver is just along for the CIRCUS RIDE. A 914 spins so quick anyway.


I bet the driver's seat cushion is needing replaced! Bet the driver SUCKED IT UP HIS ASS just off this camera view! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


Does anyone know where this happened and can get a GOOGLE earth view of the scene. It will tell me more or us more for sure.

Be careful people, these cars only go where you put them. It's a shame and I'm glad all the people are fine.

Except the driver who is removing leather from up his ASS! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

[ConeDodger]

Very nice analysis!

[EdwardBlume]

in the Philippines, my wife has a house and a condo. She employs two maids for $100.00 each per month to keep them up. The maids are extremely grateful for the $100.00 and are able to live quite well on that

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[6freak]

parts under the tree behind the car as well........so what your saying Mark is that he ran out of talent (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[TravisNeff]

What would the tax be on a free tub - which had the dash, steering linkage and pedal assy removed? I got one...

[ConeDodger]

What would the tax be on a free tub - which had the dash, steering linkage and pedal assy removed? I got one...

Unfortunately, there would be no telling until it arrived. In the Philippines it would be the arbitrary value placed on it by the import agent X 2.

[bcaschera]

The body vamage is for sure fixable, or at least replaceable. However i does look like the whole car is frowning. So if this guy thinks he can fix it .... send him the parts, let him be the judge of how much (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) needs to be done before he can (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif). He must have some idea of how much more damage there is than just the cosmetics that are definitly fixable. IMHO. But what do i Know im buy ing my 914 litteraly one part at a time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/help.gif)

[Elliot Cannon]

Fixable. my .02 worth.


Here is my "crash investigation" with the limited picture I have.





The RED lines indicate that car had rotated and the rear/front crossed.

The LIME green indicate 'possible' contact damage with the guard rail
(I believe the guard rail to be in that design and NOT shoved into the weird bow due to impact)

The BLACK represent what I believe to have caused the damage to the car or what contacted. With more pictures I could tell you what it hit. But I believe it to be a sign post or some sort of turn warning. There are TWO posts in the picture. Look by the left rear tire. The post definitely hit the long or something low such as that post or it's concrete base. The post fell and struck the windscreen and passenger ooops, driver door. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Right handed drive car... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) LEFT DOOR obviously was struck. I would bet the post with the sign (by left rear tire) struck the upper part of the door and the windscreen/support.

THE PINK BOX. Here lies the WTF? question. How did this guy lose it BEFORE the turn. The red lines and dirt spray indicate the direction he is traveling. The driver lost this BEFORE getting to the APEX of the turn. So something happened such as getting a tire into the dirt or............................

A LOCK TIRE ALWAYS LEADS. This is why removing the proportioning valve is a BAD thing. When you pull the Parking Brake on a car is spins right? Well, the laws of physics cause that. A locked tire will always come around and lead! ALWAYS. I would bet the right side of the tires have scrub on the sidewalls. The vehicle rotated clockwise. So the driver had some sort of input.......

MY CONCLUSION: The driver was driving hard and fast. He comes down a straight with heavy right foot. He does his braking BEFORE the turn as required. But his heavy right foot touches the brakes too hard and with the removal of the proportioning valve the rear tires lock. The vehicle rotates and then the driver is just along for the CIRCUS RIDE. A 914 spins so quick anyway.


I bet the driver's seat cushion is needing replaced! Bet the driver SUCKED IT UP HIS ASS just off this camera view! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


Does anyone know where this happened and can get a GOOGLE earth view of the scene. It will tell me more or us more for sure.

Be careful people, these cars only go where you put them. It's a shame and I'm glad all the people are fine.

Except the driver who is removing leather from up his ASS! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

What a genius! You figured that all out from 10,000 miles away? Are you a CSI? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

[messix]

Fixable. my .02 worth.


Here is my "crash investigation" with the limited picture I have.





The RED lines indicate that car had rotated and the rear/front crossed.

The LIME green indicate 'possible' contact damage with the guard rail
(I believe the guard rail to be in that design and NOT shoved into the weird bow due to impact)

The BLACK represent what I believe to have caused the damage to the car or what contacted. With more pictures I could tell you what it hit. But I believe it to be a sign post or some sort of turn warning. There are TWO posts in the picture. Look by the left rear tire. The post definitely hit the long or something low such as that post or it's concrete base. The post fell and struck the windscreen and passenger ooops, driver door. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Right handed drive car... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) LEFT DOOR obviously was struck. I would bet the post with the sign (by left rear tire) struck the upper part of the door and the windscreen/support.

THE PINK BOX. Here lies the WTF? question. How did this guy lose it BEFORE the turn. The red lines and dirt spray indicate the direction he is traveling. The driver lost this BEFORE getting to the APEX of the turn. So something happened such as getting a tire into the dirt or............................

A LOCK TIRE ALWAYS LEADS. This is why removing the proportioning valve is a BAD thing. When you pull the Parking Brake on a car is spins right? Well, the laws of physics cause that. A locked tire will always come around and lead! ALWAYS. I would bet the right side of the tires have scrub on the sidewalls. The vehicle rotated clockwise. So the driver had some sort of input.......

MY CONCLUSION: The driver was driving hard and fast. He comes down a straight with heavy right foot. He does his braking BEFORE the turn as required. But his heavy right foot touches the brakes too hard and with the removal of the proportioning valve the rear tires lock. The vehicle rotates and then the driver is just along for the CIRCUS RIDE. A 914 spins so quick anyway.


I bet the driver's seat cushion is needing replaced! Bet the driver SUCKED IT UP HIS ASS just off this camera view! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


Does anyone know where this happened and can get a GOOGLE earth view of the scene. It will tell me more or us more for sure.

Be careful people, these cars only go where you put them. It's a shame and I'm glad all the people are fine.

Except the driver who is removing leather from up his ASS! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

What a genius! You figured that all out from 10,000 miles away? Are you a CSI? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

nope he's just a washington state patrolman

[burton73]

Bruce,

I can get you a price from my freight broker that I use to bring all my goods in from Southern China and Hong Kong. I think you can just put a body in a 20Ft. cargo box. I have been to there place and they ship cars all over the world. As this will not have any gas or engine it will be easy. I have seen cars and motorcycles in there warehouse.

Prices for boxes going back are less than boxes coming in for a couple of reasons. They need to get the boxes back. Shipping has been way off in the last year plus so all rates have been very good rates.

You would need to get the roller to Compton so they can load the box. I can call on Monday to get a price but they will not know what the duty is in advance till they get word.

They would help to get the lowest rates as they have there contacts in each country and will Email before to see if a tub is just car parts and not a car. In this way it may get past a higher duty rate. At the same time they will find out what the local laws are on cars are as far as the years are.

Any car parts that you ship as cutup cars, need to be boxes up well and would go in a Less than container load. It would go in a big box (40ft) or bigger with other people and the rate you would pay will be by the CBM. Say it is $60. Per. You pay by volume not weight. You pay for the weight when they move it from point A to B in delivery to Him and in the customs and loading. There are paperwork charges going and receiving, forklift rental. Bond fee. Small screw you fees, and duty and taxes.

To give you an idea. I bring in 3 pallets 48” x 40” x 96” for around $1,500. Less Than Container Load (LCL)

I pay around $3,000. To bring in 8’ x 8’ x 20’ Box that is a lot of goods for me.



Bob Burton
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[johannes]

Me says there is some engeneering issue with that security device.

My understanding is that the guard rail is set far too high for a 914.
The front of the car slipped under the guard rail and the car hit at least two poles.
This is a total failure of the security equipement.

(I believe the guard rail NOT to be in that design and TO BE shoved into the weird bow due to impact)
I DO NOT believe it to be a sign post or some sort of turn warning. The TWO poles seen on the picture are the same as seen behind the car supporting the guard rail.

[jimtab]

Me says there is some engeneering issue with that security device.

My understanding is that the guard rail is set far too high for a 914.
The front of the car slipped under the guard rail and the car hit at least two poles.
This is a total failure of the security equipement.

(I believe the guard rail NOT to be in that design and TO BE shoved into the weird bow due to impact)
I DO NOT believe it to be a sign post or some sort of turn warning. The TWO poles seen on the picture are the same as seen behind the car supporting the guard rail.

Isn't that just what that type of barrier is supposed to do? I was pretty sure that they are sacrificial in order to dissipate the energy, ARMCO was a great invention that has probably saved as many lives as seatbelts, IMHO.