stainless heat exchanger shell set brand new, here is the story Options

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Here is the latest from Bosal in Belgium. Although they make some superb products, as you can see the exchanger shell set is very expensive. Although he reduced the quantity, we would have to send over our original heat exchangers so they could make a perfect model and then still pay the euro price plus shipping for the 45 sets.
If we had all of the sets pre sold we would have to sell them for a minimum of 475.00 a set just to cover everything! As you can see it is just not practical. What do all of you think?


Dear Mr. Hussey,

I’m Leo Gommans, product development manager at Bosal Research in Belgium.
As development engineer I’m involved in our sub-project for classic car exhaust systems and we have been working with Ivo Verstraete from Porsche Classic Club Belgium on 914 mufflers.
I received the message below some time ago, it is related to the heat-exchangers for 914 2.0L.

I understand you are requesting a price indication for the heat-exchanger shells.
Herewith I would like to give you such an indication. You’ll understand a new set of tooling needs to be made and the cost of it has to be amortized over a number of parts.
We can offer a set of shells (L and R, i.e. 4 shells completing one vehicle set) for EUR 286,- excl. VAT, EXW. Bosal Lummen Belgium, for a first order quantity of 45 sets.

To avoid the risk of miss-matching of shells, I propose to start from an agreed set of (original) shells, in this case it should be best that you send us this set.

I hope this offer is fulfilling your expectations and could be the trigger for future cooperation.

[DanT]

$475 for a pair of new SS heat exchangers would not be a bad deal....just to make sure I am getting the gist of this, this is for L&R complete heat exchangers?

that would be a screaming deal if you could get 45 folks to step up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

would these be completely SS..tubing, heat boxes and flanges?

Or are we talking just about the heat box shells? If so that is way steep on the price, plus how will they be joined around the exhaust pipes....rivets?

[Gint]

Just the shells? What about the rest of the exhaust?

[underthetire]

Kinda high for just shells IMO, but I think thats because of the week dollar.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

$475 for a pair of new SS heat exchangers would not be a bad deal....just to make sure I am getting the gist of this, this is for L&R complete heat exchangers?

that would be a screaming deal if you could get 45 folks to step up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

would these be completely SS..tubing, heat boxes and flanges?

Or are we talking just about the heat box shells? If so that is way steep on the price, plus how will they be joined around the exhaust pipes....rivets?

Yes just the shells in stainless!!!!!

[914werke]

I agree complete NEW HE's @ $475 is doable and I think youd find 45 buyers,
for just the shells ....no way

[SirAndy]

If anyone would be able to talk John at SSI into making another batch of SSI heat exchangers for our cars it would probably be you, George!

Give John a call, i bet you could talk him into it. Plus, he has all the tooling to make these. Complete with exhaust tubes and flanges and all.


I'm not sure if the phone number is still good, it's been a while since i last talked to John.

SSI
John Daniels
20 Pamaron Way
Novato, CA 94949
415-883-2000


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Andy

[McMark]

Yeah, even if you could just purchase the tooling from John, you'd probably be miles ahead vs. starting over.

[markb]

Yeah, even if you could just purchase the tooling from John, you'd probably be miles ahead vs. starting over.

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[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

I love John to death, we have visited each other and stayed at each other's house and have spent many many hours talking.
Yes he would make another run if I would buy 200 sets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not think that I am man enough to commit myself to that kind of money. As I remember he needed to fix one of the tools or something. I doubt if all of us put together would want to purchase new stainless heat exchangers!

If anyone would be able to talk John at SSI into making another batch of SSI heat exchangers for our cars it would probably be you, George!

Give John a call, i bet you could talk him into it. Plus, he has all the tooling to make these. Complete with exhaust tubes and flanges and all.


I'm not sure if the phone number is still good, it's been a while since i last talked to John.

SSI
John Daniels
20 Pamaron Way
Novato, CA 94949
415-883-2000


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Andy

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Yeah, even if you could just purchase the tooling from John, you'd probably be miles ahead vs. starting over.

I have asked him alot about the tooling and he just wants to sell the whole business not just the 914 tooling.

[SirAndy]

Yes he would make another run if I would buy 200 sets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

200 sets is a big commitment but i bet you could sell these in a year or two.

You could supply all the other major resellers to reach a lot of customers.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy

[SirAndy]

I have asked him alot about the tooling and he just wants to sell the whole business not just the 914 tooling.

Well, he's been talking about selling the business since i first met him in 2003.

Funny thing is, when he actually had the chance to sell it, he didn't want to let go ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Andy

[Gint]

Ha! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

[johannes]

Everybody wants 2.0 SSHE. If a set can be sold under 500$ public price, he should go for a world wide subscription plan and manufacture 200 sets that would be good for the 10 next years.

Subscriber list...

Autoatlanta USA
Pelican parts USA
Porsche Classic DE
Mittelmotor DE
914 Kfz Versand DE
Rose Passion FR
Arno Wienands NL

I also would contact all 914 Porsche clubs in the world...

[rick 918-S]

Everybody wants 2.0 SHE. If a set can be sold under 500$ public price, he should go for a world wide subscription plan and manufacture 200 sets that would be good for the 10 next years.

Subscriber list...

Autoatlanta USA
Pelican parts USA
Porsche Classic DE
Mittelmotor DE
914 Kfz Versand DE
Rose Passion FR
Arno Wienands NL

I also would contact all 914 Porsche clubs in the world...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) But $ 500.00 with the pipes. The shells would be useless without the exhaust to match.

[johannes]

But $ 500.00 with the pipes. The shells would be useless without the exhaust to match

Of course, this should be the price for complete parts.

500$ is amost the price used 2.0 SSHE sell on ebay.

Every 914 parts seller in the world would like to have theese on their pricelist quoted "in stock"

[IronHillRestorations]

What about mild steel? I'd be a little wary of putting stainless shells over stock exhaust pipes.

Even though we think of these parts as "lifetime", they aren't. They are exhaust pipes and will degrade eventually.

[McMark]

Funny thing is, when he actually had the chance to sell it, he didn't want to let go ...

Or at least that's what we were told. Maybe you have better info than me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[McMark]

Just thought of something else though, ya'll are talking about $500 SSI sets on eBay. If there IS a new production run they WILL NOT be $500. You can count on that. So $500 for shells might actually be more appropriate than we are thinking.