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gandalf_025
post Mar 10 2010, 07:26 AM
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A little off topic, But I pulled the original engine out of my car in the 70's and shelved it
and put an early 911 engine in it. Just got curious and checked the # of the early engine. Had no idea it was That early...Attached Image
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post Mar 10 2010, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ Mar 10 2010, 05:26 AM) *

A little off topic, But I pulled the original engine out of my car in the 70's and shelved it
and put an early 911 engine in it. Just got curious and checked the # of the early engine. Had no idea it was That early...Attached Image


I believe that engine serial # indicates its from a 911 MY 1966.
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post Mar 10 2010, 09:23 AM
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A little digging and It seems to be out of a 1965.
Maybe I should have left it stock ??


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post Mar 10 2010, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(carr914 @ Mar 10 2010, 03:21 AM) *

QUOTE(Tom_T @ Mar 9 2010, 06:25 PM) *

So far for the record - you've got:

VIN: - Case No:

0041 - 4016

0619 - 4299

0970 - 4411




VIN# 673 - Case # According to COA 4419 - Actually 4444

This is what got Socalandy thinking. As Dr914 said the motors were not out in any kind if sequence. Also my chassis # is kind of screwy too.

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Hey TC - they're all screwy to some degree - even the plates & labels on the car!

You may recall that my Chassis # translated to an 8/31/72 date & the VIN label is also 8/72 when it was ostensibly completed & done - possibly the worlds record fastest 914 assembly in history - 1 day shell to done! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Ditto as I noted with a couple of the GA cases of which I'm aware, which are out of order relative to VINs.

If you've ever seen any assembly line operation (even the old Stuttgart "hand-built" 911s), it's easy to see how any component can be on the belt, in the tray, etc. out of order relative to the shell/car as it moves along - then their VINs & other nos. are out of order to boot!
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post Mar 10 2010, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ Mar 10 2010, 07:23 AM) *

A little digging and It seems to be out of a 1965.
Maybe I should have left it stock ??


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Does that source give you any info on the serial number range & number of units from the 1969 911T (& 68 MY if same engine S/N series) on which the 914-6 was based as a de-tuned version? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

... &/or if they changed the serial no. first 2 digits on the 914-6 engines? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) That might give an idea of what S/N started for the early 70 (69 build) 914-6's.
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post Mar 10 2010, 03:55 PM
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I got a return call from the COA dept. and the case numbers are not in any order and I was read all the info off of the microfiche. they will be adding the production date and send a new COA to me.

So officially looking for case # 6404411

Thanks Everyone!!!


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post Mar 10 2010, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(Socalandy @ Mar 10 2010, 01:55 PM) *

I got a return call from the COA dept. and the case numbers are not in any order and I was read all the info off of the microfiche. they will be adding the production date and send a new COA to me.

So officially looking for case # 6404411

Thanks Everyone!!!


Great! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)

... & far more painless than my 12 mos. & 3 COAs to get them to correct it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Maybe my complaining to their div. GM Andrew Pine, got them to be more helpful in the mid-mgmt. levels.

Was it Kristen R. in COA who helped you? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) She was helpful with me, but her supervisor was a butt! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

BTW - I did my semi-regular TheSamba parts cruz last night & couldn't find the guy selling 2-3 old 914-6 engines, so he either sold them, or I'm recalling the wrong site's listing?? .... maybe Pelican, evil-Bay, or ?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

As an option, there is a guy with a 6 case in Laguna Hills on Samba last night, but I wasn't clear if it was from a 911 or 914-6 - in case you can't find your 6's original case.

Also, call to Circle Porsche in Long Beach (better service than Newport) with your case # & PET part no. 901-100-380-00 (X - for exchanged case) to see if perhaps they got your original case in trade as a core for a factory overhauled motor.
.... maybe yes or maybe no - but trying to find the old case is a long shot anyway!

I'll keep an eye out for 6404411, as I'm sure will others here! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 10 2010, 04:14 PM
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It was Kristen and she was helpful. I have been checking Samba and Ebay. The one in laguna was for a /6 car just not mine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Mar 10 2010, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE(Socalandy @ Mar 10 2010, 02:14 PM) *

It was Kristen and she was helpful. I have been checking Samba and Ebay. The one in laguna was for a /6 car just not mine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


... as I said, it was an alternative in case you cannot find yours.

Try the dealer route to check with PAG Classics in Stuttgart (Porsche's in-house classics & resto group) - or better yet! - ask for Heather Cooper at the same PCNA 800# as Kristin (Option #3 also IIRC) to have them check for the availability of your OE case over there. Heather checked on some OE parts for my 914-2.0 & I'm sure she would help you on an complete engine!

You're probably looking for 1 case in 3500 or so (counting some extras produced as spares/parts) - so far better odds than 1 in 10-20,000 2.0s or 1.7s! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Mar 11 2010, 01:02 PM
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Not sure if this is of any value??
Found a Brochure called "The Porsche Family Tree"
A Guide to Porsche Models from 1948 to 1974

This is some of the Specs for cars from 1965 to 1971.
I have no clue how accurate it is. This Brochure was handed out in the Dealer Showrooms in the Day.

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post Mar 11 2010, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ Mar 11 2010, 11:02 AM) *

I have no clue how accurate it is.

That chart can't be trusted.

It states that the 914/6 VIN numbers started with 914.043.0001 and we all know that can't be right ...
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And it states that the highest 914/6 VIN for '71 was 914.453.0443 ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Mar 11 2010, 01:45 PM
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No accounting for accuracy I guess..
I picked it up at the Dealer in 1975
Brochure was probably propaganda.
Doubt they thought someone would actually try to
use it 35 years later ???
Here is what the Cover looked like

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post Mar 11 2010, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 11 2010, 11:10 AM) *

QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ Mar 11 2010, 11:02 AM) *

I have no clue how accurate it is.

That chart can't be trusted.

It states that the 914/6 VIN numbers started with 914.043.0001 and we all know that can't be right ...
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Andy - I think it just lists the range "reserved" for the various models here, & apparently did the same with engines cuz they list several 916-6 case nos. ranges from 640-0001 thru -8000 for 70 MY & same range 641- for 71, so it doesn't give a clue as to how many were actually made nor where it started.

However, the 69 911T motor used on 70-72 914-6's has a 619-xxxx case no., so that refutes my earlier theory that it might have been a continuation in series of the 911T case series.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Perhaps they just used the 640-4001 thru 4999 part of the above, or perhaps each one of the 4 separate sets of the various 3000 & 1000 no. series sets were fos motors built for a specific market (e.g.: Euro, USA, etc.) &/or for 5-spd vs. Sportmatic versions ?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Mar 11 2010, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ Mar 11 2010, 11:02 AM) *

Not sure if this is of any value??
Found a Brochure called "The Porsche Family Tree"
A Guide to Porsche Models from 1948 to 1974

This is some of the Specs for cars from 1965 to 1971.
I have no clue how accurate it is. This Brochure was handed out in the Dealer Showrooms in the Day.

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Hey Gandolf, can you post the 72-74 & other pages of this here plz?

IIRC, these are still for sale at AA, PP, Dealers, etc., but now include the newer models.
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post Mar 12 2010, 09:14 AM
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This is far as this copy goes..


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This is far as this copy goes..


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Thanx Bud! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) covers my 73 MY anyway! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Note that they left the 74 MY VINs etc. open ended, not knowing yet how many 74's they'd make/sell. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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