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Simplyfied rear toe adjustment ... |
SirAndy |
Mar 16 2010, 08:30 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,640 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Any reason why this isn't a good idea for quick toe adjustments ???
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1139897116.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1139897325.jpg) |
PeeGreen 914 |
Mar 16 2010, 10:37 PM
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Just when you think you're done...wait, there is more..lol Group: Members Posts: 10,219 Joined: 21-September 06 From: Seattle, WA... actually Everett Member No.: 6,884 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Doesn't Brant have something like this one his car?
I think it is a good idea personally. |
Eric_Shea |
Mar 16 2010, 10:43 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,275 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
That's a fairly common mod. Patrick sells it. From what I understand, it's very effective.
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Dr. Roger |
Mar 16 2010, 10:54 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
love it.
how about a quick camber adjust too? <wishful thinking> |
shaggy |
Mar 16 2010, 11:18 PM
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mechanic/welder/fabricator Group: Members Posts: 702 Joined: 26-September 05 From: Gilbert, AZ Member No.: 4,869 Region Association: None |
having welded a bunch of the patrick ones id bet they are lighter.
the dont use rod end adapters which are really heavy. quick camber is wishful thinking unfortunately. these setups are only really useful or necessary on race/track cars. for any street car they are totally unnecessary. -jim |
messix |
Mar 16 2010, 11:46 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
having welded a bunch of the patrick ones id bet they are lighter. the dont use rod end adapters which are really heavy. quick camber is wishful thinking unfortunately. these setups are only really useful or necessary on race/track cars. for any street car they are totally unnecessary. -jim i wouldn't say that... it would depend on how much torque the engine makes. that would be a good for a v8 mod. i would think it would add some support to the outter suspension mount. |
brant |
Mar 17 2010, 08:52 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,624 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
that looks like a stainless bar
ours is aluminum and a bit lighter 5 years of on track time with 2 drivers works really well for a track car |
Eric_Shea |
Mar 17 2010, 09:07 AM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,275 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE quick camber is wishful thinking unfortunately. Hmmmmm... we'll see. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
URY914 |
Mar 17 2010, 09:37 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,614 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Looks heavy....
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Spoke |
Mar 17 2010, 09:43 AM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,978 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
these setups are only really useful or necessary on race/track cars. for any street car they are totally unnecessary. I've been thinking of adding something like this to my 914. I assume your comment is in reference to holding the swingarm in place during heavy acceleration/braking/cornering. I would like to install this only for setting the toe. Every time I try to set the toe & loosen the bolts, the swingarm shifts and I lose my adjustment. Patrick wants $320 for their system. I want to know how I can do this job for $20. |
Eric_Shea |
Mar 17 2010, 09:57 AM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,275 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE I want to know how I can do this job for $20. You can't. (how's that for a gauntlet?) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) http://www.mcmaster.com/#heim-joints/=69apj5 |
sixnotfour |
Mar 17 2010, 10:04 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,432 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE quick camber is wishful thinking unfortunately. Hmmmmm... we'll see. rev level 2 currently you will see it here http://www.pmbperformance.com/rennbits.html |
PRS914-6 |
Mar 17 2010, 10:13 AM
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Excellence Magazine Project 914 3.6 Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,278 Joined: 20-May 06 From: Central California Member No.: 6,031 Region Association: None |
I think for big HP and big torque engines matched with fat soft tires that this mod is worthy of doing. In addition, it's MUCH easier to set the toe. You can scale the weight down a little by using aluminum rods and smaller attaching points as I did.
When you set the toe, I would suggest cranking the rod and leaving the system loaded against the load direction of the suspension. If the rods are not loaded, the adjustment can jump around in the slop of the threads. Once the camber is right, I like to gently snug the suspension bolts and then crank the rods under slight load until I get the desired toe. If you miss it, wind it back and approach it again rather than just cranking backwards. Hope this makes sense. |
Spoke |
Mar 17 2010, 10:13 AM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,978 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
QUOTE I want to know how I can do this job for $20. You can't. (how's that for a gauntlet?) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) http://www.mcmaster.com/#heim-joints/=69apj5 Hmm. I'm not thinking of what can be purchased and bolted/welded on. I'm thinking of what can be manufactured at home with very little cost. I had a few ideas on how to inexpensively manufacture this. My latest thought involves the old tie rods I took off the car a while back and are sitting in the attic. If I can work out the mounting, the tie rods would give me the adjustment necessary to perform toe alignment. For me, it doesn't have to be pretty, it just needs to work. |
andys |
Mar 17 2010, 10:20 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None |
I personally believe it's a good idea whether racing or not. First off, as everyone mentioned, it makes toe adjustments very straight forward. On mine, I have a short hex section mid-tube so that I can use a wrench to make the adjustment (my heims are right and left hand threaded pairs). The other nice feature is if you need to partially drop the swing arm, it will retain the original toe avoiding the need to re-align it again. In my particular case, I have to drop my swing arm to get the inside CV to clear my engine cradle when I drop the motor/trans (V8 conversion), so this is very necessary for me.
Andys |
brant |
Mar 17 2010, 10:41 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,624 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
dug out one of the pictures from my "vintage race car" thread
we removed the jack point to save weight (not rusty), and then welded in a small reinforcement on the long for strenght here is a pic: Attached thumbnail(s) |
ArtechnikA |
Mar 18 2010, 04:33 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
Carroll Smith would observe that you have critical fasteners in single-shear, which he would regard as a crime against nature...
But I don't see much of an alternative, especially for the forward welded pickup. For extra credit, it'd be nice to use fasteners with enough shoulder near the head so you don't have threads working on the inner race of the monoball, but if it's torqued tight there shouldn't be any motion there anyway. |
jt914-6 |
Mar 18 2010, 05:07 AM
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Driving & working on teeners 41 years Group: Members Posts: 1,786 Joined: 3-May 08 From: Bryant, Arkansas Member No.: 9,003 Region Association: South East States |
I did the mod on my six conversion. Maybe a hinged rocker panel for quick adjustments???
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ArtechnikA |
Mar 18 2010, 05:11 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
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914werke |
Mar 18 2010, 12:58 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,066 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Why not Chris's solution Link seems simpler (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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