Now we have Startie- but the idle is way off, Anybody have a flow chart for D-Jet like PBAnders Fuel Pump flow chart Options

[Jona Gold]

This winter I pulled the motor and transmission out of my 70- to fix the transmission issue I was having. I bought a good transmission after running out of time before spring (I was working on rebuilding a side shift) and put it on and reinstalled the motor.

I hooked up everything just as it was- but now it won't start.

I have fuel, I have spark, it cranks over strong, but it won't ignite.

So far I have gone through the 12 pin wiring harness for ignition (starter, backup lights, Air Sensor, Oil Pressure switch, Coil, and Fan). I rebuilt it since there were small breaks here and there.

I replaced the points & condensor. Gapped the points appropriately.... (.016in).

Can you plug any of the FI wiring in backwards? Everything kind of just fell back into place since it's been that way for 40 years. It would feel awkward to plug something in wrong.

The car started immediately before and ran near perfect (best running 914 I've owned yet)- now it won't start. I did replace the fuel lines while I was in there as well (they were old). Any ideas? What could I be missing?

[realred914]

timing way off, spark plug wires mixed up are my first guess seeing you say you have good spark and fuel.

however you might have too much fuel (ie flooding) that can be caused by a bad head temp sendor (open circuit) or the manifold pressure sendor.

test the head temp sendor for ohms, shoudl be a couple thousand when cold, be sure to wiggle the wire when you test, they oft break and contact intermitatnly if it is high ohms or jumps around when wiggled that may be it.

make sure you pressure sendor is holding vacuum (if it got dropped or such it could have cracked) also carefully reinsepct the wires to the presure sendor, and throttle switch lift up the rubber boat and inspect , sometimes only one wire is barely hanging by a strand and it touched once and a while.

that is were id be looking for now

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[76-914]

You said you R&R'd the fuel lines. Did you get them crossed? It's easy to do. I know! The pump will dead head.

[Jona Gold]

Timing and plug wires were never changed. I pulled the motor in tact. I did not disassemble the motor at all- just unplugged stuff to remove it from the car.

You can cross the fuel lines? I don't think I crossed them, but it won't hurt to double check.

It may be flooding- I know I have fuel because I can smell it- so I'll check those sendors.

Thanks guys- at least I have something to do now other than scratch my head....

[r_towle]

you smell fuel? then its ignition.

Check all the FI wiring, make sure its all plugged into the relay board.
If you find that you have the pump hooked up correctly, then pull the injectors and while leaving them hooked up to the fuel rail put them all in the little glass baby food jars...
Turn over the car for 30 seconds and see if they are firing.

Rich

[Rand]

Everything said is right on.
You say you have fuel and spark but it won't fire.
Can't be compression because it ran fine before and nothing could have affected that.
That leaves timing.

It's either timing (or plug wires are connected wrong - same issue), or your fuel or spark isn't what you think.

How did you check fuel and spark?

[Jona Gold]

I checked spark with a spark tester- you hook your plug wire to one end and ground the wire to the negative battery terminal- if it arcs inside the tester you know you have spark!

I checked the main line coming out of the coil and both front two cylinders.

I did replace the relay board in the transition. When I reinstalled the motor and cranked it over the first time, the starter engaged but didn't didn't engage the flywheel. Then it wouldn't stop running when the battery was connected. I replaced it, the ignition switch in the column and the relay board. The relay board had been the issue. Now it tries to start normally again and stops when the key is not in the start position.

I do have a surplus of baby jars right now- so I'll give that a shot tomorrow.

Thanks guys.

[markb]

Trigger points plugged in?

[Jona Gold]

Yes- the trigger points are plugged in. I had that bite me on a 71 several years back. Car wouldn't start- they were plugged in but one wire had broken inside the end. Once I found that broken wire it fired right back up....

Unfortunately, the issue I'm having now must be new to me.....

Good call though!

[kkid]

Did you hook up the fuel lines in the engine compartment as it should be?
You may wanna double check the diagram just one more time since you've replaced the fuel lines.

Good luck!

[TheCabinetmaker]

Two things. First, as mentioned, is crossed fuel lines. Second is the 14 and 12 pin connectors. It is possible to plug them in one pin off.

[Jona Gold]

OK- so it's no fuel now.

What's odd is- it got fuel fine when I started this- but now the fuel pump doesn't even come on with the key. I hear it making clicking noises as I try to start the car, but no fuel comes out of the injectors.

Fuel lines are not crossed- I double checked with the book. Head temp, manifold pressure- both good.

Wiring appears to be all in tact, and in the right places, the 12 and 14 pin connectors are spot on and I even tried a known good relay for the fuel injection.

So that's where I'm at- no noise from the fuel pump except the clicking. No fuel from the injectors....

Back to scratching my head - and maybe another beer....

[TheCabinetmaker]

No fuel pump running. Key switch (seems to have been a rash of them lately), fuse on relay board, fuse at main fuse block, pump unplugged.

[ericread]

Aha! You need the pbanders ( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) ) fuel pump debug troubleshooting flowchart:

http://members.rennlist.com/pbanders/FPChecklist_frame.htm

Follow it closely. It solved my fuel pump problems. And besides, Paul is one fart smeller...

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Eric Read

[Jona Gold]

The PBAnders Flow chart got me solved... I got to the point where I knew it was a ground - then had lot's of fun tracing it down to a ground wire that was broken.

IT RUNS NOW THOUGH!

Unfortunately, it rev's high now. I'm going to look at timing etc. I've repaired so many broken wires, vacuum lines, and other misc crap having my engine out that I probably messed up the timing or tune that the PO had. It's too bad I screwed with it- this car ran better than any of my other 914's before I had to do transmission work.

[Tom]

Could be that the PO tuned it with some wire broken ( unknown to him at the time), now that you have fixed some things, the idle may be high because of that. Try turning down the idle screw first and see how it runs.
Tom

[Jona Gold]

Not the idle screw- bummer.....

Still trying to get it timed...seems the mark is either no longer visible or I'm so far off it's not funny. Tried to check and see if I was 180 out (I had removed the distributor to put in new points and condensor) but that wasn't the case.

No luck so far....beautiful day here, too bad I'm wrenching instead of driving.

[TheCabinetmaker]

High idle could be a vacuum leak. are all the exrtra holes on the plenum plugged? all hoses attached? Hose off decel valve will cause a 2000 rpm idle.

[Jona Gold]

My idle is between 3500 and 5000 depending on weather the vacuum is plugged into the dizzy or not.

[tod914]

Timing too far advanced maybe? If you line up the nut on the outside of the vaccume canister with the bail on the oil filler, it should get you close. Maybe you'll be able to see your timing marks then. Basicially have the vaccume canister bisect the bail.