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> SBC V8 Water Pump Failure, 3 Styles of Pumps Tested BYPASS THERMOSTAT UPDATE
nick mironov
post May 6 2010, 12:32 PM
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My Renegade water pump failed yesterday. The pump impeller is stamped steel and the blades all just folded over or sheared off. I understand that the cast impellers are much stronger, but that not all manufacturer's cast models will fit into the Renegade housing. Anybody have experience with cast impeller pumps that will fit into the Renegade housing?

Since there is no bypass in the Renegade system, Renegade instructions are to limit the motor RPM to 3,000, or less, untill the thermostat opens. I have observed this, but the pump still failed after 5,500 miles. Renegade now makes a bypass kit, which I going to try, but I would still like to get a more durable pump.

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post May 6 2010, 05:24 PM
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It is hard to imagine that a pump would see sufficient backpressure in a system to flatten the stamped steel impellers. It would seem that the pump would cavitate before that happened. Just speculation.

If it's the same that was used some time ago, it is more than likely a GMB pump. The person that was making the stamped aftermarket impellers was making them out of some very weak material. There was a notch (indentation) in the blades to form somewhat of a gusset for strength.

The impellers could have been stamped from heavier gauge material, but then they wouldn't have been as inexpensive.

The only question as to whether the stock Big Block Chrysler impeller would fit is the depth of the impeller in the housing (the impeller thickness). A cast iron one could be made to the specifications, but one would have to order at least 300 pieces. There is to limited a market for that.

Alternatively, the stock cast iron one could more than likely be machined to appropriate dimensions.

All this is speculation, as we do not have a back housing to examine the fitment of a stock pump / impeller. Oh, and the original pump it was patterned after is fully cast iron. I posted an image of it in the previous thread about the same problem.
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nick mironov   SBC V8 Water Pump Failure   May 6 2010, 12:32 PM
messix   some else just had this problem less than six mont...   May 6 2010, 12:35 PM
wallys914   You run a Thermostat? I don't... but then agai...   May 6 2010, 01:00 PM
Bruce Hinds   It's a mopar impeller, they make a few differe...   May 6 2010, 01:01 PM
zymurgist   I drilled a 1/16" hole in the flange of my t-...   May 6 2010, 01:43 PM
SLITS   It is hard to imagine that a pump would see suffic...   May 6 2010, 05:24 PM
kg6dxn   Buy a Mopar Performance high flow water pump for a...   May 6 2010, 06:34 PM
nick mironov   This type of failure is a typical problem with th...   May 6 2010, 09:07 PM
messix   This type of failure is a typical problem with t...   May 6 2010, 09:14 PM
kg6dxn   This type of failure is a typical problem with t...   May 6 2010, 09:15 PM
computers4kids   [quote name='nick mironov' post='1314826' date='M...   May 6 2010, 10:06 PM
kg6dxn   Found one for you. http://www.summitracing.com/pa...   May 6 2010, 09:22 PM
messix   it's the cavitation that bends the impellers. ...   May 6 2010, 09:23 PM
kg6dxn   Here's a marine version. http://marineenginep...   May 6 2010, 09:35 PM
TC 914-8   Yep I was one of those recient failures. I went ...   May 6 2010, 11:44 PM
messix   Yep I was one of those recient failures. I went...   May 7 2010, 08:43 AM
nick mironov   That failure looks exactly like mine... The threa...   May 6 2010, 11:56 PM
jimkelly   maybe i will just keep running my stock water pump...   May 7 2010, 04:58 AM
SLITS   In the other thread, someone asked what Ford did t...   May 7 2010, 07:08 AM
SLITS   Here's the deal. I will send a pump (that was...   May 7 2010, 08:56 AM
nick mironov   I will take you up on this. My housing is out of t...   May 7 2010, 06:14 PM
marks914   Just find the right impeller assembly and replace ...   May 7 2010, 08:05 PM
nick mironov   This is the Test Setup. Although the pump housin...   May 26 2010, 10:00 AM
nick mironov   This is the Lineup of the Tested Impellers. [ Th...   May 26 2010, 10:02 AM
nick mironov   Failed Stamped Impeller. The impeller failed duri...   May 26 2010, 10:04 AM
nick mironov   Replacement Stamped Impeller This is an exact rep...   May 26 2010, 10:05 AM
nick mironov   3.66” Diameter Cast Impeller This is the small ...   May 26 2010, 10:06 AM
nick mironov   4.365” Cast Impeller I first thought that the i...   May 26 2010, 10:07 AM
nick mironov   The Housing   May 26 2010, 10:08 AM
nick mironov   Replacement Stamped Impeller in Housing Note that...   May 26 2010, 10:09 AM
nick mironov   4.365” Cast Impeller in Housing There is also g...   May 26 2010, 10:10 AM
nick mironov   4.365” Cast Impeller in Housing Note that there...   May 26 2010, 10:11 AM
nick mironov   3.66” Cast Impeller in Housing Note the very sm...   May 26 2010, 10:12 AM
nick mironov   Housing After I finished testing everything, I cl...   May 26 2010, 10:13 AM
nick mironov   3.66” Cast Impeller in Housing after Beveling th...   May 26 2010, 10:14 AM
nick mironov   [b]The Results Since I did not have test equipmen...   May 26 2010, 10:16 AM
BRAVE_HELIOS   Love this write-up!! I am in the market f...   Oct 5 2011, 10:03 PM
BRAVE_HELIOS   [b]This is the Test Setup. Although the pump ho...   Nov 1 2010, 01:46 PM
kg6dxn   Very nice. Thanks for doing the research for our b...   May 26 2010, 03:29 PM
TC 914-8   Great write up, details and data. When I was look...   May 26 2010, 11:29 PM
drive-ability   I had a similar problem, I looked around and found...   May 27 2010, 07:38 AM
LvSteveH   This is Scott using Steve's 914 World account ...   Jun 1 2010, 04:47 PM
nick mironov   I purchased Scott's / Renegade's bypass th...   Jun 2 2010, 01:02 AM
SLITS   Ok, last bit of information I will post on this. ...   Jun 2 2010, 01:50 PM
nick mironov   The Renegade system thermostat with bypass is now ...   Jun 6 2010, 10:54 AM
nick mironov   RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure   Jun 6 2010, 10:55 AM
nick mironov   RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure   Jun 6 2010, 10:55 AM
nick mironov   RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure   Jun 6 2010, 10:56 AM
nick mironov   The only problem I had was that the Renegade ...   Jun 6 2010, 10:58 AM
nick mironov   RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure   Jun 6 2010, 10:59 AM
PRS914-6   First let me say that I have never done a SBC conv...   Jun 6 2010, 04:49 PM


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