 Which door to use, Early with dent vs Late with Speaker cut out |
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| jeffdon |
 May 21 2010, 11:48 AM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 1,094 Joined: 24-October 06 From: oakland, ca Member No.: 7,087 Region Association: None  |
So I am down to prepping the doors for paint.
I bought a pair of straight late style doors a while back, as I had to replace the passenger side door. They are very straight, with just a little tiny bit of rust. Bothw er cut for speakers by some idiot. Drivers door has some extra holes for a larger mirror mount, which should be easy to fill. I cut some inside metal from my old Pass. door and welded into the speaker hole. My plan was to keep using the early drivers door, as it was straight. Won't go into details, but i put a big dent in the upper part of the drivers door via some real stupidity. Figured no big deal, i have fixed worse. Pulled the seal and am seeing some nasty rust spots due to some dipshit siliconing the seal in. Sorry for poor pics. Below are two out of four rust spots on my early door, and the newer door. Which would you use? Save the old door and have mismatched doors? Or go with the straighter late door, weld in donor parts from my old one to close the hole, and have them match?    |
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| SirAndy |
May 21 2010, 11:58 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,651 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Late doors are HEAVY ...
Plus, if you have a early top, the late door window won't seal correctly against the top. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| jeffdon |
May 21 2010, 12:09 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,094 Joined: 24-October 06 From: oakland, ca Member No.: 7,087 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 21 2010, 10:58 AM)  Late doors are HEAVY ... Plus, if you have a early top, the late door window won't seal correctly against the top. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Hey Andy, greetings to a fellow Oaklander. Yeah, no kidding. Shockingly so. Crap, Maybe i should have fixed the orig. P-door anyhow. Wonder how much of an issue i will have with the pass. side seals. I have an extra roof at my parents house, how can i ID what year its from? Anyone want to buy a late drivers side door all ready for a speaker? |
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| McMark |
May 21 2010, 12:32 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
If you're building a street car, the weight is irrelevant.
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| jeffdon |
May 21 2010, 12:38 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,094 Joined: 24-October 06 From: oakland, ca Member No.: 7,087 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(McMark @ May 21 2010, 11:32 AM) If you're building a street car, the weight is irrelevant. I had sorta been thinking that. Plus I suppose that there are some safety advantages. Leaning towards using the newer door. |
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| GeorgeRud |
May 21 2010, 01:58 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Go for the safety! There are a lot of idiots out there, and they have learned how to use their opposable thumbs to text while driving!
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| Tom_T |
May 21 2010, 04:03 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California 
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QUOTE(McMark @ May 21 2010, 11:32 AM) If you're building a street car, the weight is irrelevant. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Plus it's less than 100 lbs. for both late doors - including the late window regulators - which by the way will cause issues if the top/side seals are different (i.e.: you can't transplant early window gear into late doors & visa versa). IMHO - I'd get some rust free doors appropriate to your 914's MY, & stay away from fixing rust on doors if you can avoid it. I'm facing that same issue on my resto, & I have the "Light Late" doors on my early-73 2.0, since they put the late style doors without the side-impact beams in them, but with later windows/regulators on it when built in 8/72. |
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| jeffdon |
May 21 2010, 04:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,094 Joined: 24-October 06 From: oakland, ca Member No.: 7,087 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Tom_T @ May 21 2010, 03:03 PM) QUOTE(McMark @ May 21 2010, 11:32 AM) If you're building a street car, the weight is irrelevant. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Plus it's less than 100 lbs. for both late doors - including the late window regulators - which by the way will cause issues if the top/side seals are different (i.e.: you can't transplant early window gear into late doors & visa versa). IMHO - I'd get some rust free doors appropriate to your 914's MY, & stay away from fixing rust on doors if you can avoid it. I'm facing that same issue on my resto, & I have the "Light Late" doors on my early-73 2.0, since they put the late style doors without the side-impact beams in them, but with later windows/regulators on it when built in 8/72. Can I update the roof seals to the later type? Hell, can i ever GET the seals? |
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| SirAndy |
May 21 2010, 04:42 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,651 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(jeffdon @ May 21 2010, 03:37 PM) Can I update the roof seals to the later type? Hell, can i ever GET the seals? The tops are different ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| jeffdon |
May 22 2010, 09:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,094 Joined: 24-October 06 From: oakland, ca Member No.: 7,087 Region Association: None |
So i had the idea to retrofit my early window and hardware into one of my late doors. Anyone see issues with this? |
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| jeffdon |
May 23 2010, 11:34 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,094 Joined: 24-October 06 From: oakland, ca Member No.: 7,087 Region Association: None |
Shameless bump.
Can early style windows and regs be fitted to the late door? How can I ID late vs early tops? |
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| SirAndy |
May 23 2010, 11:56 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,651 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(jeffdon @ May 23 2010, 10:34 AM) Can early style windows and regs be fitted to the late door? Sure. All you need is lots of time and money ... The the question is WHY? The late style window mechanism is far superior to the early style. If anything, you'd want to put late style regulators into an early door ... As far as the tops, there's a thread here somewhere outlining all the differences with lots of pictures etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| jeffdon |
May 23 2010, 12:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,094 Joined: 24-October 06 From: oakland, ca Member No.: 7,087 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 23 2010, 10:56 AM) QUOTE(jeffdon @ May 23 2010, 10:34 AM) Can early style windows and regs be fitted to the late door? Sure. All you need is lots of time and money ... The the question is WHY? The late style window mechanism is far superior to the early style. If anything, you'd want to put late style regulators into an early door ... As far as the tops, there's a thread here somewhere outlining all the differences with lots of pictures etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Why? So I can use my existing top. |
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| SirAndy |
May 23 2010, 12:10 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,651 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(jeffdon @ May 23 2010, 11:07 AM) Why? So I can use my existing top. It'll be much easier (and cheaper) to use the late doors and get a late top to match ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| jeffdon |
May 23 2010, 12:14 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,094 Joined: 24-October 06 From: oakland, ca Member No.: 7,087 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 23 2010, 11:10 AM) QUOTE(jeffdon @ May 23 2010, 11:07 AM) Why? So I can use my existing top. It'll be much easier (and cheaper) to use the late doors and get a late top to match ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Found the top ID thread....get this, my top is actually a late top, so I guess that solves the "which door to use" question. Sooooooo, back to my question about cutting inside metal out of my early door to replace the metal that someone cut out for speakers. not going to see it. Hate to thrash the early door if it could be of use to someone. |
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| Drums66 |
May 23 2010, 01:08 PM
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914 Rudiments Group: Members Posts: 5,321 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Coronado,Cali Member No.: 151 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Fix existing door if.........it's doable?
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| jeffdon |
May 23 2010, 03:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,094 Joined: 24-October 06 From: oakland, ca Member No.: 7,087 Region Association: None |
GACK! Late door has worse rust than i thought. Fixable i guess, but damn. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
So its been established that late doors and early tops don't seal well, how about early windows/doors and late tops? I don't recall having a leak issue. |
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