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> Weber IDF always rich- Please help!
tornik550
post Jun 13 2010, 08:08 PM
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I have dual weber 40 idf's. I cannot get the mixture correct no matter of the changes that I have made. I foul the plugs with dry black soot in only minutes. The car runs fairly well. Could be fine tuned however right now I am working on gross tuning. Heres the background info-

Setup-
-1.7l case now 2.27l by changing jugs to 96mm and crank to 78.5mm
-2.0l heads (I also have stock 1.7l heads, I have had the same issue with both heads)
-A "fairly aggressive webcam camshaft setup for carbs". I do not know the exact lift and such. The previous owner increased the displacement from 1.7l to 2.0l. He changed the cam when he rebuilt the engine. When I rebuilt the engine, I used the same cam. I had this rich mixture issue before and after my rebuild.

Carb info-
-Dual weber 40 idf's freshly rebuilt with new needles and seats
-main jets 120
-air correction jets 200
-tubes- f11
-idle jets 50
-vents 32mm
-floats set at 10mm (rich mixture), 11mm (rich mixture), 12mm (rich mixture)
-fuel pressure at 3.5

Other Info about my engine-
-MSD 6al ignition
-MSD Blaster 2 Coil
-Bosch 050 distributor with pertronix
-Autolite 63 spark plugs gapped at .030

I have tried a few things however I have not been able to change the problem. I only have a set of larger mains which obviously didn't help the issue. I have checked to make sure the needle is seating properly. I have removed the air correction jets to see what would happen- no major change in the mixture. I have a set of 34mm vents on the way however I doubt that will change much. It seems to me that with the carb setup that I currently have, I shouldn't be fouling the plugs after running the engine for only a minute.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

(Yes, I did post something similar on 914Club. I am trying to look for as many ideas as I can find).
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tornik550   Weber IDF always rich- Please help!   Jun 13 2010, 08:08 PM
jmill   I was helping you over on the Club site. Can you ...   Jun 13 2010, 09:01 PM
J P Stein   NGKs in the same or hotter heat range (BP5 or 6ES...   Jun 13 2010, 09:51 PM
tornik550   Its difficult to explain because I have only drive...   Jun 13 2010, 09:59 PM
9146986   I'd check the float valves to make sure they a...   Jun 14 2010, 05:14 AM
jmill   Here is what I remember from my drive last week. ...   Jun 14 2010, 07:31 AM
tornik550   He checked the float valve assembly and he says ...   Jun 14 2010, 08:34 AM
jmill   Last night, I found something that may be a the p...   Jun 14 2010, 09:01 AM
rhodyguy   perhaps i've missed it. what effect do the idl...   Jun 14 2010, 09:24 AM
Root_Werks   I went through and cleaned out one of my IDF's...   Jun 14 2010, 10:05 AM
Root_Werks   Here's more of what I was talking about:   Jun 14 2010, 10:11 AM
jmill   Both my carbs have the block off plates, but when...   Jun 14 2010, 10:17 AM
Root_Werks   Both my carbs have the block off plates, but whe...   Jun 14 2010, 10:18 AM
tornik550   I have kind of an embarrassing/funny story. Tonig...   Jun 14 2010, 07:44 PM
jmill   Glad it all worked out for you. :cheer:   Jun 14 2010, 08:08 PM
Root_Werks   Cool! Before I was told my versions don't...   Jun 15 2010, 08:54 AM
Silverstreak   Victory!!! I hope I am as victorious w...   Jun 15 2010, 04:03 PM
tornik550   Unfortunately, it appears that I didn't actual...   Jun 26 2010, 08:41 PM
tornik550   sorry forgot to add the link http://www.youtube.c...   Jun 26 2010, 08:42 PM
tornik550   I just noticed something on a weber idf diagram. ...   Jun 26 2010, 08:53 PM
jmill   With the O-ring missing you'd suck more air fr...   Jun 26 2010, 09:41 PM
Root_Werks   :agree: There are a total of 4 O-rings per carb,...   Jun 26 2010, 10:34 PM
FourBlades   I am no expert but I got a suggestion lately that ...   Jun 27 2010, 06:05 PM
rhodyguy   when your car is ilding, is fuel spilling/dribblin...   Jun 27 2010, 07:26 PM
tornik550   when your car is ilding, is fuel spilling/dribbli...   Jun 27 2010, 07:36 PM
tornik550   I had two o-rings so I put them on the idle jet ho...   Jun 27 2010, 07:31 PM
tornik550   Here is a brief summary of what I have tried to fi...   Jun 27 2010, 07:53 PM
rhodyguy   you need an o ring for each idle/air mixture needl...   Jun 27 2010, 07:58 PM
FourBlades   Buy a new set of carbs for $500-600 before ta...   Jun 27 2010, 08:01 PM
tornik550   Buy a new set of carbs for $500-600 before t...   Jun 27 2010, 08:13 PM
tornik550   I may have just found my problem. I was having ri...   Jun 27 2010, 08:12 PM
jmill   With the mixture screws turned all the way in your...   Jun 27 2010, 10:40 PM
tornik550   I want to confirm that my engine will run with the...   Jun 28 2010, 07:21 AM
tornik550   I forgot to mention that my mixtures screws look d...   Jun 28 2010, 07:25 AM
tornik550   I just got in from the garage and I am very please...   Jun 28 2010, 08:06 PM
jmill   Your butterflies are misaligned. (see fig. C ) Wh...   Jun 28 2010, 09:18 PM
tornik550   Your butterflies are misaligned. When your butte...   Jun 28 2010, 09:35 PM
tornik550   I did not see the image at first. I think that I ...   Jun 28 2010, 09:44 PM
jmill   I doubt all the seats would be junk. Stranger thi...   Jun 28 2010, 09:45 PM
jmill   If this is the case, how would this happen to bot...   Jun 28 2010, 09:55 PM
tornik550   Mine do say Made in Italy (is that good or bad). ...   Jun 29 2010, 06:02 AM
jmill   Made in Italy is a good thing. Chances are that i...   Jun 29 2010, 06:17 AM
jmill   One more thought. IIRC the butterfly plates are m...   Jun 29 2010, 09:00 AM
rhodyguy   i just checked a set of 40s that i have. there is ...   Jun 29 2010, 10:31 AM
jmill   Thanks for checking that out. :beer2: Whats rea...   Jun 29 2010, 10:53 AM
rhodyguy   no hole in the plates on these italians but the 76...   Jun 29 2010, 11:01 AM
tornik550   I just got back inside from examining my butterfl...   Jun 29 2010, 07:42 PM
jmill   You really want to keep the butterflies as close t...   Jul 1 2010, 06:47 PM
tornik550   I ordered 40s. I figured that I can bore them out...   Jul 1 2010, 06:49 PM
tornik550   Heres the answer. JMill had told my to check to m...   Jul 1 2010, 07:01 PM
tornik550   The problem   Jul 1 2010, 07:02 PM
tornik550   The Solution   Jul 1 2010, 07:03 PM
tornik550   I am really kicking myself for not seeing this. A...   Jul 1 2010, 07:04 PM
FourBlades   No wonder you were not getting enough air into the...   Jul 1 2010, 08:16 PM
jmill   I bet it'll run great now. :cheer:   Jul 1 2010, 09:34 PM
7275914911   Man this place just continues to amaze me!...   May 22 2012, 05:10 PM
Vacca Rabite   Well... shit. I bet this was the root of the super...   May 22 2012, 07:13 PM
jmill   Found these in a rebuild kit but are the floats g...   May 22 2012, 09:22 PM
rhodyguy   HUGE deal with the o-rings. they rest in the reces...   May 23 2012, 08:36 AM
aharder   Well... shit. I bet this was the root of the supe...   May 23 2012, 08:45 AM
SUNAB914   Same here, I have two plugs running rich, no#1 and...   May 23 2012, 10:53 AM
aharder   Well... shit. I bet this was the root of the sup...   May 29 2012, 06:12 PM


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