 Our 914 club member in Iraq, Anybody heard from him? |
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| Pam |
 Apr 8 2004, 11:08 AM
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Unnumbered Lady of 914s  Group: Benefactors Posts: 113 Joined: 30-May 03 From: Des Moines, Iowa Member No.: 756   |
Although I appreciate the general sentiment of what you say regarding choice, Dave, I'm sure the men and women that signed up were led to believe their service would be a noble pursuit defending our country. I doubt that any reference was made, even in the fine print, to invading other countries based on fabricated claims of weapons of mass destruction.
Do I need to include the disclaimer on this message that the opinions I express are my own and are not meant to reflect the opinions of anyone I might own a 914 with?? Nah...I think that's probably implied. -Pam |
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| Rusty |
Apr 8 2004, 11:29 AM
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Wanted: Engine case GA003709 Group: Admin Posts: 7,941 Joined: 24-December 02 From: North Alabama Member No.: 6 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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Without falling on either side of the debate...
1. It's times like these that I'm glad I can clearly distinguish between policy support and support for troop(s). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) 2. We are here to support and defend the Constitution, and that includes the right to critize the government. -Rusty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) |
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| Curvie Roadlover |
Apr 8 2004, 12:19 PM
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Two trunks are better than one! Group: Members Posts: 2,025 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Southeast Michigan Member No.: 42 |
QUOTE(Lawrence @ Apr 8 2004, 09:29 AM) Without falling on either side of the debate... 1. It's times like these that I'm glad I can clearly distinguish between policy support and support for troop(s). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) 2. We are here to support and defend the Constitution, and that includes the right to critize the government. -Rusty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
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| ss6 |
Apr 8 2004, 12:47 PM
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fun city... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 2-February 03 From: Western Connecticut Member No.: 221 |
Tough times.
It no longer matters how we came to be in Iraq, we're there. Settle up with Dubya and his crew as you see fit next election day. The crucial question is what we do going forward. We've removed by force the leadership of a sovereign nation, and have not yet replaced it with anything credible or stable. We picked the fight; walking away from our stated goals would erase our credibility as a nation, and dishonor all of us, especially our guys who've made the ultimate sacrifice in our names. Gotta finish the job. Rusty, our prayers are with you and your crew. |
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| need4speed |
Apr 8 2004, 12:51 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 339 Joined: 11-April 03 From: Arroyo Grande, CA Member No.: 564 |
QUOTE(DrifterJay @ Apr 7 2004, 07:16 PM) ...I hate this weapon...) What's wrong with it? Isn't it aircooled? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) no- really, I'm interested in hearing what you don't like about the M249. I've never seen one in real life, let alone touched or fired one. But from time to time, I read or get into discussions about these kinds of things. I hear people make tons of criticisms over the m9, while others think it's great, and the m16 too, etc. I'm just interested in what you don't like about it. QUOTE . . .. Gotta finish the job. Say what you will about the war, you all know where I stand on Iraq. But on this one point, I think we all have to agree. We cannot abandon these people now. Read up on your history of what happened in Afghanistan after the Soviets pulled out. (Read today that Dotsum broke with the Karzai govt. and has taken control of a northern city - essentially, Afghanistan is now in civil war as well). I don't think that this Sadr guy is that serious a threat in the big scheme of things. (I'm not there dodging his thugs bullets tho. . . ) - if the US seriously commits as strongly as Bush talks tough, then there's no way this force, even with bald-faced Iranian backing, is going to deter the mission. It may delay it. But the biggest threat to freedom and democracy in Iraq, is the white-collar criminal who got us into this mess in the first place: Ahmed Chalabi (and his INC goons). I have no doubt that US forces can defeat Sadr - the tragedy is that we may have to apply force at a level that's going to get a lot of innocent civilians killed. But in the end, the Sunnis aren't going to side with Sadr in any organized fashion, and neither are the Kurds. Even Sistani has not come forward publicly supporting him. Sadr's a dead-man walking, and his thugs are too. I don't see a REAL civil war in Iraq happening until a few years after the "handover" - when Chalabi starts asserting more control, and pisses off the ethnic groups and minority factions. |
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| Bleyseng |
Apr 8 2004, 05:49 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
See thats the problem with this government. Look at Afghanistan at what a great job we can do to a country.Cut and run.
We are good at destructing but not good at building democracy. What would it take to get Iraq moving towards this? 1. Create jobs for the mass of unemployed men and woman. Hmmm, this is not Bush's forte as he can't even do that in the US. 2. Create a Iraqi police force and National Guard. We have started this but its years off. 3. Bring in massive aid so food, water and medical aid is available for all people. 4. National Elections-soon these might happened Geoff I also feel for all the people for friends and loved ones are serving their country, facing everyday the fears of what could happen. Maybe if this is such a great thing, why doesn't Bush send his two daughters over to serve this country? |
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| Dave_Darling |
Apr 8 2004, 06:49 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,986 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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Uhhh.... Because it's their own choice? (It damn well oughtta be, at least!)
That they haven't chosen to do so on their own probably does say something about the "family values" that he helped instill in them... But that's a whole 'nother can o' worms, and prolly something best left alone here. Regardless--keep your ass down and your eyes and ears open, Rusty! And bring yer people back, safe and sound! --DD |
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| Bleyseng |
Apr 8 2004, 09:40 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I thought that both of them were AWOL from the National Guard just like their old man.
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| SpecialK |
Apr 9 2004, 11:08 AM
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aircraft surgeon Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,211 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Pacific, MO Member No.: 1,797 |
Check these little critters out ....camel spider or wind scorpion (Eremobates gladiolus)and they can run 10 mph making them the fastest non-flying arthropod....I would absolutely FREAK if one of those things got on me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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| Qarl |
Apr 9 2004, 11:40 AM
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Shriveled member Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,233 Joined: 8-February 03 From: Florida Member No.: 271 Region Association: None |
Holy shit dude! That's what nightmares are made of.
That's two of 'em right? nothing that a flame thrower couldn't stop! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blowtorch.gif) |
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| Jenny |
Apr 9 2004, 11:41 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,060 Joined: 6-January 03 Member No.: 96 Region Association: None |
Heebeejeebees!!! Great. I didn't even know these things existed. Now I have one more thing to worry about. <_<
Jen |
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| SirAndy |
Apr 9 2004, 12:03 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,641 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
to quote from my favorite book:
"mostly harmless" ... http://www.frgnews.com/spider.htm and apparently, we have them here in the US too ... http://50.lycos.com/040703.asp (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif) Andy |
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| SpecialK |
Apr 9 2004, 12:05 PM
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aircraft surgeon Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,211 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Pacific, MO Member No.: 1,797 |
QUOTE to quote from my favorite book: "mostly harmless" ... Yeah, I guess that depends on whose sleeping bag it crawled into (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif) |
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