Restoration panels Options

[peteyd]

Restoration Design needs your help to determine what 914 part to make next. I listed three here, but if you have any other ideas as to what part would be a good addition let us know.

[Todd Enlund]

I don't think that anyone makes a right engine mount bracket, and I know that it gets hit by the hell hole rust. I have one cut from another car to replace mine.

[underthetire]

I say a whole new tub. That way I don't have to worry about rust for at least a year. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[SirAndy]

Front trunk floor

It would be great to have that piece. In fact, when i get around to fixing my factory /6, i will need one of those.

With the parts that go under the headlight buckets as shown in the picture.

That would be great!
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif) Andy

[SirAndy]

Another part that is rusted out on almost every 914 out there (most owners don't even know) is the top of the rear fenders right over the taillights.

The factory stuffed some foam into that cavity which, after 40 years, has cracked and is now a sponge full of water with rust slowly eating it's way through.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Andy

[watsonrx13]

Front trunk floor

It would be great to have that piece. In fact, when i get around to fixing my factory /6, i will need one of those.

That would be great!
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif) Andy

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) With the number of FL cars that had the dealer installed A/C, front trunk floor are hard to come by down here is the south.

-- Rob

[Tom_T]

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Of those 3, IMHO the front trunk floor is the most often needed, esp. for AC removal retrofits.

Here are a couple of other ideas for more needed parts & the reasons why needed -

1. 70-74 Front Wall body Panel (behind bumper) - often damaged in F-end accidents & rust at bumper/foglight/horn attachments
> the front wall brace(s) inside the trunk would be nice too, either separately or pre-welded to the F-wall.

2. L & R Headlight Buckets & drain tube (70-74 w/ knock-outs for 75-76) - rust damage

3. Replacement F Trunk Seal channels (curved & straight & angels0 - often rusted by trunk seal holding moisture & rusting thru

4. 70-74 Rear Wall body Panel (behind bumper & betw taillights) - often damaged in R-end accidents & rust for leaky taillight seals

5. Underbody pan sections at L & R Front Suspension Cross-member Struts/Braces Attachments (R most common) - rust due to water & windshield washer fluid leakage into bottom of fuel tank compartment, & critical suspension area stress

6. Steering Rack Cover Panels - rust & road debris damage

7. 72-76 Full Engine/Cockpit Firewall Panel with F Engine Shelf & Heat/Sound Pad & Wiring Harness Clips - heat/sound pads hold moisture against firewall/shelf & cause rust damage on later 914s (70-71 had no pads IIRC).

8. Full Hell Hole Replacement Kit &/or Pre-Assy. (Long, Inneer Wheel House, Susp. Console, Motor Mount, Engine Shelf, Battery Tray/Support, etc.) - RUST!

9. Engine Tin Sets - rust damage, road hazard losws, lazy mechanics & DAPO's not putting them back on, etc.

I'm sure others can add some to their wish list! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I say above mostly 70-74 models - not as a slam against 75-76 914s - but because there were far more 914s built & therefore surviving in the first 4 years of production, plus I have a 73 & am most familiar with issues that MY & similar MYs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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[cary]

Front cross panel for concours . Or the top portion of it for our daily drivers. Had a tough time finding a portion out of a parts car. Project has been sitting for 6 months waiting. Finally found one.

[AndyB]

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Of those 3, IMHO the front trunk floor is the most often needed, esp. for AC removal retrofits.

Here are a couple of other ideas for more needed parts & the reasons why needed -

1. 70-74 Front Wall body Panel (behind bumper) - often damaged in F-end accidents & rust at bumper/foglight/horn attachments
> the front wall brace(s) inside the trunk would be nice too, either separately or pre-welded to the F-wall.

2. L & R Headlight Buckets & drain tube (70-74 w/ knock-outs for 75-76) - rust damage

3. Replacement F Trunk Seal channels (curved & straight & angels0 - often rusted by trunk seal holding moisture & rusting thru

4. 70-74 Rear Wall body Panel (behind bumper & betw taillights) - often damaged in R-end accidents & rust for leaky taillight seals

5. Underbody pan sections at L & R Front Suspension Cross-member Struts/Braces Attachments (R most common) - rust due to water & windshield washer fluid leakage into bottom of fuel tank compartment, & critical suspension area stress

6. Steering Rack Cover Panels - rust & road debris damage

7. 72-76 Full Engine/Cockpit Firewall Panel with F Engine Shelf & Heat/Sound Pad & Wiring Harness Clips - heat/sound pads hold moisture against firewall/shelf & cause rust damage on later 914s (70-71 had no pads IIRC).

8. Full Hell Hole Replacement Kit &/or Pre-Assy. (Long, Inneer Wheel House, Susp. Console, Motor Mount, Engine Shelf, Battery Tray/Support, etc.) - RUST!

9. Engine Tin Sets - rust damage, road hazard losws, lazy mechanics & DAPO's not putting them back on, etc.

I'm sure others can add some to their wish list! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I say above mostly 70-74 models - not as a slam against 75-76 914s - but because there were far more 914s built & therefore surviving in the first 4 years of production, plus I have a 73 & am most familiar with issues that MY & similar MYs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Both of my project cars suffer the rust that Tom mentions.

[Jacob]

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Of those 3, IMHO the front trunk floor is the most often needed, esp. for AC removal retrofits.

Here are a couple of other ideas for more needed parts & the reasons why needed -

1. 70-74 Front Wall body Panel (behind bumper) - often damaged in F-end accidents & rust at bumper/foglight/horn attachments
> the front wall brace(s) inside the trunk would be nice too, either separately or pre-welded to the F-wall.

2. L & R Headlight Buckets & drain tube (70-74 w/ knock-outs for 75-76) - rust damage

3. Replacement F Trunk Seal channels (curved & straight & angels0 - often rusted by trunk seal holding moisture & rusting thru

4. 70-74 Rear Wall body Panel (behind bumper & betw taillights) - often damaged in R-end accidents & rust for leaky taillight seals

5. Underbody pan sections at L & R Front Suspension Cross-member Struts/Braces Attachments (R most common) - rust due to water & windshield washer fluid leakage into bottom of fuel tank compartment, & critical suspension area stress

6. Steering Rack Cover Panels - rust & road debris damage

7. 72-76 Full Engine/Cockpit Firewall Panel with F Engine Shelf & Heat/Sound Pad & Wiring Harness Clips - heat/sound pads hold moisture against firewall/shelf & cause rust damage on later 914s (70-71 had no pads IIRC).

8. Full Hell Hole Replacement Kit &/or Pre-Assy. (Long, Inneer Wheel House, Susp. Console, Motor Mount, Engine Shelf, Battery Tray/Support, etc.) - RUST!

9. Engine Tin Sets - rust damage, road hazard losws, lazy mechanics & DAPO's not putting them back on, etc.

I'm sure others can add some to their wish list! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I say above mostly 70-74 models - not as a slam against 75-76 914s - but because there were far more 914s built & therefore surviving in the first 4 years of production, plus I have a 73 & am most familiar with issues that MY & similar MYs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Both of my project cars suffer the rust that Tom mentions.

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[IronHillRestorations]

For what it's worth Pete, I got four NOS inner left longitudinals several years ago from Porsche. I've only sold two, in probably eight years so there's not that much demand.

Front trunk floor is probably a better go for you, especially if you can include the relief area above the front A arm. I have seen a few cars with that area rusted.

[Gint]

Front trunk floor is the most needed piece of what you listed. That front fender section would be second.

[rick 918-S]

Front trunk floor is the most needed piece of what you listed. That front fender section would be second.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I removed a front panel (the latch/nose panel) from a parts car. It have been replaced at some point with a factory replacement panel and barely brazed on the car. I gave it to jmill. If he didn't use it I'm sure he would loan it to you for a pattern. It's a nice stock part. These get hit all the time. Also a 1/4 section of this peice would be nice to have to repair the rust where the bumper bolts on the front.

This section as a repair panel would be nice.

[nsr-jamie]

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Of those 3, IMHO the front trunk floor is the most often needed, esp. for AC removal retrofits.

Here are a couple of other ideas for more needed parts & the reasons why needed -

1. 70-74 Front Wall body Panel (behind bumper) - often damaged in F-end accidents & rust at bumper/foglight/horn attachments
> the front wall brace(s) inside the trunk would be nice too, either separately or pre-welded to the F-wall.

2. L & R Headlight Buckets & drain tube (70-74 w/ knock-outs for 75-76) - rust damage

3. Replacement F Trunk Seal channels (curved & straight & angels0 - often rusted by trunk seal holding moisture & rusting thru

4. 70-74 Rear Wall body Panel (behind bumper & betw taillights) - often damaged in R-end accidents & rust for leaky taillight seals

5. Underbody pan sections at L & R Front Suspension Cross-member Struts/Braces Attachments (R most common) - rust due to water & windshield washer fluid leakage into bottom of fuel tank compartment, & critical suspension area stress

6. Steering Rack Cover Panels - rust & road debris damage

7. 72-76 Full Engine/Cockpit Firewall Panel with F Engine Shelf & Heat/Sound Pad & Wiring Harness Clips - heat/sound pads hold moisture against firewall/shelf & cause rust damage on later 914s (70-71 had no pads IIRC).

8. Full Hell Hole Replacement Kit &/or Pre-Assy. (Long, Inneer Wheel House, Susp. Console, Motor Mount, Engine Shelf, Battery Tray/Support, etc.) - RUST!

9. Engine Tin Sets - rust damage, road hazard losws, lazy mechanics & DAPO's not putting them back on, etc.

I'm sure others can add some to their wish list! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I say above mostly 70-74 models - not as a slam against 75-76 914s - but because there were far more 914s built & therefore surviving in the first 4 years of production, plus I have a 73 & am most familiar with issues that MY & similar MYs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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Yes, I need the first 3 on this list and also my longitudals are very bad on the inside of the car when I pulled my carpets out....it would be nice to see some new parts come out that are not available from AA

[rick 918-S]

The lower inner wheel house rear section is a complicated piece to make in the garage too. This one was repaired with foil tape and body filler covered with black undercoating. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Here is what is available after each listing:

Of those 3, IMHO the front trunk floor is the most often needed, esp. for AC removal retrofits.
I agree that this part is needed. However most are bad because of the ac cutout, but most just reinstall the air conditioning. The front transverse link mounts although discontinued by the factory, are easily and readily available used and rust free

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1. 70-74 Front Wall body Panel (behind bumper) I agree with this one. Although the factory new front panels are readily avaialble, they are different than the 73-74 style and by installing the superseded panel, ones car is changed forever. They also rust away. Make this one!

> the front wall brace(s) inside the trunk would be nice too, either separately or pre-welded to the F-wall. one side is still available but most times these are NOT rusted and can be cut out of a donor

2. L & R Headlight Buckets & drain tube (70-74 w/ knock-outs for 75-76) - rust damage
Headlight buckets would be a good one. These do rust out and new ones are no longer available and the new ones that WERE available are shorter than the 70-74 style so that they could accommodate the 75 76 bumper shocks

3. Replacement F Trunk Seal channels (curved & straight & angels0 - often rusted by trunk seal holding moisture & rusting thru
These are actually made by us and are readily available

4. 70-74 Rear Wall body Panel (behind bumper & betw taillights) - often damaged in R-end accidents & rust for leaky taillight seals
These are still readily available

5. Underbody pan sections at L & R Front Suspension Cross-member Struts/Braces Attachments (R most common) - rust due to water & windshield washer fluid leakage into bottom of fuel tank compartment, & critical suspension area stress
These brackets are readily available, in fact I bet we have over 100 NOS on the parts shelf

6. Steering Rack Cover Panels - rust & road debris damage
These too are readily available rust free used and new

7. 72-76 Full Engine/Cockpit Firewall Panel with F Engine Shelf & Heat/Sound Pad & Wiring Harness Clips - heat/sound pads hold moisture against firewall/shelf & cause rust damage on later 914s (70-71 had no pads IIRC).
Rear walls are readily available complete (I bet we have at least 20 NOS upstairs, and we already make the patch panels left and right inner and outer where these rust the most. We also have rust free back walls that can be sectioned and used to repair other rusted ones

8. Full Hell Hole Replacement Kit &/or Pre-Assy. (Long, Inneer Wheel House, Susp. Console, Motor Mount, Engine Shelf, Battery Tray/Support, etc.) - RUST!
You may have seen the old thread where we welded together all of the parts we make for this area: Was a fun picture, looked like the right rear half of a real 914! All readily available but really cannot be sectioned in as one!!!

9. Engine Tin Sets - rust damage, road hazard losws, lazy mechanics & DAPO's not putting them back on, etc.
Plenty of this stuff available totally rust free and nice, even the right 2.0 cylinder cover!

[charliew]

Personally it's probably just me but I would buy a inner fender hell hole piece and the battery tray and support made out of stainless to put in my car if it ever needed it. Welding is the same with either mild steel or ss. I would guess the ss might be a little tougher to stamp but I'm sure it can be done. I bought some outer long shells in case I was going to open the longs for coolant hoses and if they had been available in ss thats what I would have bought.

[Katmanken]

Here's my 2 cents....

On my good car that had almost no rust anywhere, there was rust in three areas. First, the back of the floors and the bottom of the bulkhead was rusted due to the rear window being loose. Parts are available for that, Second, the hell hole area had some rust and parts are now avaialble for that. Third area was the ""U" channel area under the front trunk seal and no parts are available for that.

There is a real market for the front trunk "U" channnels. That's a market for ALL of the "U" channels. On many cars, the curved "U" channel in front of the windshield is mising chunks near the fenders, and the center is bent or damaged from careless owners. That metal is thin, and my workaround was to replace the entire section ( including the grille) between the trunk and the windshield and patch the corners.

The long "U" channels of the front fenders are crying for a replacement piece. Made both of them by cutting curved vertical sections and welding a floor to the verticals. Would replace them in a heartbeat with decent replacement pieces. I'm picturing a universal left and right curved "U" profile that can be used for both fenders.

Another part might be the vertical wall of the wheel area that the fender "U" sections are spot welded to. On many cars, the removal and replacement of a fender leaves a wavy piece full of drilled out spotweld holes running front to rear. Maybe a replacement piece that's nothig more than a long flat strip an inch high would be in order. Cut the top edge to match the curve of "U" of the fender. Make the bottom as a straight cut for butt weld or as a dogleg. Dogleg would let you spot weld it in place with an overlap hanging into in the wheel area. Might be a universal left/right piece depending on how you do the bottom.

And, on every car that I've ever seen, the "U" channels around the headlights and front of the car need some work. The welded angle and seam sealer around the headlight buckets are a rust magnet. Ditto along the front of the trunk.

A lot of junkers have decent front trunk floors. They seem to be in an area that doesn't accumulate salt or rust. AC holes do appear, but never seen one in the midwest or the east coast areas.

Your proposed front fender pieces would be good. In salt land, a lot of cars seem to rust out from the inside in that double wall area in front of the doors. One of my front fenders was trashed by the rust, and another one was dipped to get rid of the rust in the double wall area.

Agree on Andy's mention of the rearmost piece of the rear fender above the tail light. It's a complex metal form and may involve more than one piece.

My 2 cents, hope it helps.

[Drums66]

..Complete rear trunk floor?(I (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) think)
most of the cars I've had,that was a very bad area also! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

[mepstein]

Replacement panels that weld themselves - No offence Scotty...