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> 4 Cylinder 911 based motor, Polo - by Dean Polopolus of APE, Inc.
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post Nov 7 2010, 04:23 PM
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I went to the Winter Park, Florida Concours De Elegance today and saw one of the coolest Porsche cars I have ever seen. It was a 356 "Special" built by Emory Motorsports. It has a 4 cylinder, 911 based motor. Dean Polopolus. Owner of APE, Inc. has engineered a powerful high performance piece of machinery by developing the Polo 4 cylinder 911. The Crank case has been casted and machined and is now in various cars all over the world. Glad I went to this event today....Have you guys ever seen or heard of this motor?



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post Nov 7 2010, 04:31 PM
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Here is a photo of the car owned by Mr. Kranz of Oregon and Daytona Beach.



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post Nov 7 2010, 04:37 PM
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Mr. Kranz told me the motor makes 160 bhp and has plenty of torque to make the car a blast to drive. The evolution of the motor saw it begin as a project where the middle two cylinders of a 911 motor were cut out. The case was then welded up and the rest is history. Now, new cases have been manufactured so there is no need for core 911 motors. Amazing what some creativity... and I bet a bunch of money can do to feed our insatiable urges for cars and machinery!
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post Nov 7 2010, 04:42 PM
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Ok I'll stop after one last picture of the nose...



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post Nov 7 2010, 04:49 PM
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Sure is pretty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Didnt see the price anywhere, but they sell a kit for the do-it-yourselfer

http://www.polomotor.com/index.html

Very cool (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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post Nov 7 2010, 05:02 PM
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He's been doing this for a couple of years ( 5+) now. There was a writeup in Excellence some time agou about it. Cool idea but VERY expensive
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post Nov 7 2010, 05:07 PM
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I looked this up a year ago and IIRC prices started at 28K. I might of remembered wrong but I do know it wasn't cheap.
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post Nov 7 2010, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(scotty b @ Nov 7 2010, 06:02 PM) *

He's been doing this for a couple of years ( 5+) now. There was a writeup in Excellence some time agou about it. Cool idea but VERY expensive


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) , That's where I read about it - I've never seen one in person
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post Nov 7 2010, 05:09 PM
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Local 356 guy has one, missed the 356 show this year so I haven't seen it in person yet. I think he's done an interview/photo shoot for Excellence, so I'd guess it'll be in a 2011 issue.
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post Nov 7 2010, 05:10 PM
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Very cool. I don't know if it was the same guy, but I have seen these engines at Dunkels meets years ago and this year at the Monterey Historics.
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post Nov 7 2010, 05:20 PM
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The original concept was that of Chuck Beck.. He drew the first design on a napkin at a bar and then built one..

Dean has done a lot to develop that engine into a thoroughbred, they are worth the price that he charges for them.
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post Nov 7 2010, 05:30 PM
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I saw that car about 4 years ago at a PCA event in Tampa. I think the owner lives in Ocala. It make a cool sound.
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 7 2010, 06:20 PM) *

The original concept was that of Chuck Beck.. He drew the first design on a napkin at a bar and then built one..



Chuck Beck is a Hoot. I think most of the stuff he has done have been designed on Bar napkins. The difference between him and most other dreamers is he actually creates what he dreams up. I always love talking to him.
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post Nov 7 2010, 06:48 PM
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Ahhhh, A 4 cyl. motor that requires an oil tank $$$$

Looks cool, want to hear it!!!
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post Nov 7 2010, 08:23 PM
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Jake,

I didnt ask him how much $$ he had to put into the motor. What do you know about the pricing? As with any motor I'm sure there are many variations of displacement and HP. I am just curious to know what the starting point might be and I'm sure others wouuld love to know as well. Thanks for chiming in.
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post Nov 7 2010, 08:34 PM
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Starts around 20 grand last I heard.
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I dont get it? What heads are used?
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post Nov 8 2010, 06:04 PM
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I dont get it? What heads are used?



911

It's a 911 block that is cut down to a four cylinder, (center 2 are removed ) crank is cut and rewelded ( IIRC ) cams are special made, 911 heads, 911 chain setup etc, and 4 banger carbs. Something Porsche SHOULD have done in the 356 and 914 IMO
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post Nov 8 2010, 08:08 PM
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I've worked on many automobiles over the years and after service in the army where was stationed in Germany I became fascinated with the V.W.'s and the motors that pushed them around. I had worked on many Volkswagens before being drafted.


I opened a repair shop that was exclusively Porsche in the mid 1970's and after I sold that shop I turn my attention to building a 4 cylinder air cooled 911 motor. It is total fascination!

This first motor was a rube Goldgerg. It had many official Porsche parts but it was built from a sectioned six cylinder 911 case. It had been welded through the middle and the crankshaft had been shortened by two to run in the new configured case. It ran and still runs beautifully. It sounds like a cam ed Chevrolet motor at idle and I sound like a dying swan in agony at 8,000 rpm's.

Everyone loved it but it was not a qualified professional effort so it was on the the next faze.

I made blue prints of motor and had scaled number put the the prints. The prints were taken to a pattern maker and a casting box was made.

Blue prints of a 4 cylinder horizontally opposed motor was made. The print were taken to a billet crankshaft maker and billet cranks were made.

Cam shaft were machined and ground.

With these very nice pieces a 4 cylinder 911 type air cooled motor is made

I have a 4 cylinder 911 case that has been cast and I have the other parts, Billet Crankshaft, camshafts and oil pump drive that are needed to complete the 4 cylinder 911 type motor.

Dean Polopolus.
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post Nov 8 2010, 08:14 PM
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If I had all the money I wish I had, one of those would be in my 356...but I dont't (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
But hey, they are WAY less $ than a 4-cam carrera motor.
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