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> D-Jet problems, temp sensitivity issue
mgphoto
post Dec 5 2010, 05:37 AM
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Hello and thank you for looking.

I have had a very stable car for the last 29 years, stock 1.7 with original D-Jet, except for the addition of a Per-Lux Ignitor (installed 20 years ago, that was the name back then).

The car is maintained and serviced by me and over the years I've replace leaky injectors, vacuum hoses and the AAR, nothing really major has gone wrong with the fuel system.

Little more than a week ago, Los Angeles got a burst of winter, temps in the mid 40's overnight and my very stable car began to have problems with warm up and running.

Starting does not seem a problem, as when cold (at ambient temperature) the engine will start and run for about 30 seconds, long enough for the AAR to begin to close and the idle to drop.

When this begins to happen, the engine begins to stall, the idle drops to 0 but bounces back up, this will happen several times until the engine stalls.


If I am lucky I can restart the engine and it will idle, (at this point if I am not so lucky I will have to restart the engine upwards of 15 to 20 times after which it will begin to idle).


At this point I can not touch the accelerator pedal, pressing the pedal will increase the RPM's but only momentarily as the engine will stall.

After the car has idled for about 10 minutes, it becomes somewhat drivable, sometimes with severe bucking, sometimes stalling.


Within 15 to 20 minutes the oil temp is starting to register on the gauge, and the car runs as it always has, very strong with any hesitation, totally repeatable every time.


I read a number of articles here on 914World about F I problems and the CHT seemed to be the culprit.

Simple enough, swap it out and see what happens.

Well I won't try the glue the washer to the sensor again, as soon as it came in contact with the head the glue broke and the washer fell into the fins on the head.

Just lucky to have another new sensor with another washer on hand.

Not to lose the last new washer I had, I decided to peen the inside of the washer with a small screwdriver and a hammer, in four opposing places, enough to cause the washer to crimp so it would catch the treads and screw onto the sensor so it could not fall off.

Replaced the CHT and found no change!

I decided to look at the temp aspect.

I have been monitoring the engine block temp, head temp and ambient temps with a laser pointer temp probe.

At this point, I believe the head temp of between 70 and 85 deg F is the point were the stalling occurs.

At head temps above 100 deg F the car will idle, at temps above 140 deg F the car will run.

Low ambient temps causes the AAR to stay open longer, the heads heat faster.

Higher ambient temps may cause the engine to stall faster.

Once the oil is warmed up to operating temp the engine runs all day without problems starting and restarting after several hours (engine temps still over 100 deg F)

I believe the problem is fuel related, if it were ignition there would be backfiring when the ignition kicked back in, fuel would still be delivered and pushed though the engine to ignite in the exhaust system.


Has anyone experienced this kind of temperature sensitivity and is there a cure?

Thanks in advance your help in the matter,
Mike






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mgphoto   D-Jet problems   Dec 5 2010, 05:37 AM
vsg914   I think your aar is not working. Disconnect the ho...   Dec 5 2010, 06:55 AM
sean_v8_914   I agree with VSG914. the AAr is slow even in perf...   Dec 5 2010, 10:25 AM
mgphoto   I agree with VSG914. the AAr is slow even in per...   Dec 5 2010, 04:05 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Make sure the intake air temperature sensor is wor...   Dec 5 2010, 11:13 AM
mgphoto   Make sure the intake air temperature sensor is wo...   Dec 5 2010, 03:40 PM
sean_v8_914   capt, have you seen those go bad? wrong resistance...   Dec 5 2010, 11:33 AM
timofly   Does your ECU have the mixture adjust knob? If so,...   Dec 5 2010, 07:31 PM
r_towle   For kicks, test your cht when cold and hot to veri...   Dec 5 2010, 08:12 PM
mgphoto   Hello again, Temps today were in the mid 60's ...   Dec 6 2010, 05:40 PM
SLITS   While you replaced the CHT, did you check to see i...   Dec 6 2010, 06:34 PM
r_towle   I agree with slits...check your CHT again and make...   Dec 6 2010, 08:20 PM
r_towle   Problem Issue rational   Dec 6 2010, 08:26 PM
r_towle   2K ohms at 68 deg. F for all but 1973 2.0 L, > ...   Dec 6 2010, 08:28 PM
r_towle   one cure that seems to work, and at the end of the...   Dec 6 2010, 08:44 PM
SLITS   Damn Rich .......... You forgot the instructions ...   Dec 6 2010, 09:27 PM
mgphoto   OK a buddy of mine loaned me the Bosch EFAW 228 FI...   Dec 9 2010, 07:42 PM
r_towle   what, 40 year old plugs got dirty...I cant believe...   Dec 9 2010, 07:47 PM
r_towle   Veterinary Orthopedic Manipulation (VOM) is a heal...   Dec 9 2010, 07:48 PM
Markl   I have all those! And I chase cars!   Dec 9 2010, 10:27 PM
mgphoto   I started the car today without problem, above 70 ...   Dec 10 2010, 03:43 PM
mgphoto   OK so I really am not as smart as I think I am. T...   Dec 23 2010, 05:25 PM
914_teener   No....thank you Mike. I had the same friggin prob...   Dec 23 2010, 05:30 PM


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