 914/6 Race Car - Price Check, What's the market? |
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| EdwardBlume |
 Mar 21 2011, 07:35 AM
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914 Wizard  Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California 
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I have an oppt to buy a really nice street Porsche and am wondering what my race car would go for these days.
Its the former Grantsfo pirate ship... been sitting here unused for the last 2 years... and I've used it twice... Yeah, I know. Here's a short list of things: '74 low mile chassis FG trunks, bumpers, and flares 5-6 year old 2.5 purpose built /6 motor, carb, twin plug LSD transmission 5 lug / full suspension Cage Kirkley seat 2 sets of wheels Known issues: LSD slips Engine smokes after sitting long periods Carbs likely need cleaning Package would include nice Carson steel open deck trailer. What's it worth? Attached thumbnail(s)  
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| DanT |
Mar 21 2011, 10:04 AM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
Rob,
I know first hand that this is a well prepared car and needs only just a little attention to a couple of items to be a contender at AX and TT. The market for racecars (seems even more so for 914s) is very soft right now. There have been several very nice cars here that have gone wanting for several months or more. Like Elliott's car. I won't put a price on it, since I know it might influence other's responses... good luck with the sale. |
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| Randal |
Mar 22 2011, 04:59 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
Hey Rob: The market for race cars is somewhat soft, unless you happen to be selling something that meets the market's sweet spot. If I had to do it all again I'd just do it on eBay and put a retainer figure that meets your minimum objective. eBay gets the word out - gives you EXPOSURE. Also putting a longer buying period on it will attract more people. I would also figure out how to link the sale to face book, another medium that will get you huge exposure. And with your natural talent you should do a video on YouTube. Like the metamorphosis of a young married guy that has to give up his first beauty (race car) to retain his most important asset, i.e. Cheryl. It will probably go viral. Be realistic, but put a price that will make you ok with the deal. Otherwise, just keep it and run it. |
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| J P Stein |
Mar 22 2011, 05:33 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
What I did when pricing mine.
I started at one end of the car with a pad & pencil and figured (as honestly as possible) what I could get by parting it out. I mentally prepared my self to do so if I could not near that number as a complete car. It was quite a revelation. I was over 22K still hadn't included the chassis, spares, tools, truck, trailer, yada. It was not something I was looking forward to but I was offered 20K & took it. My car was in perfect running condition (and it wasn't built by Grant (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ). Yours is not and it is tough to figure what yours needs & how much that is gonna cost. Parting it out is a viable option. Brit sold off most of the running gear (less the trans) & all the conversion parts...and the stuff went quick. The funds weren't quite what it took to do the change over to Subie power.....but the went a little Ga Ga on that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| EdwardBlume |
Mar 24 2011, 06:25 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California
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Thanks guys! I appreciate the good advice!
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| Chris Pincetich |
Mar 24 2011, 05:31 PM
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B-) Group: Members Posts: 2,082 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Point Reyes Station, CA Member No.: 4,907 Region Association: Northern California |
The reality check of selling your custom 914 is why so may of us keep them for so long (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
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| brilliantrot |
Mar 24 2011, 11:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Costa Mesa Ca. Member No.: 7,699 |
QUOTE(ChrisNPDrider @ Mar 24 2011, 04:31 PM)  The reality check of selling your custom 914 is why so may of us keep them for so long Truer words were never spoken. |
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| EdwardBlume |
Mar 25 2011, 06:54 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California
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QUOTE(brilliantrot @ Mar 24 2011, 10:25 PM) QUOTE(ChrisNPDrider @ Mar 24 2011, 04:31 PM) The reality check of selling your custom 914 is why so may of us keep them for so long Truer words were never spoken. And the reality check of parting it out? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
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| J P Stein |
Mar 25 2011, 08:06 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(RobW @ Mar 25 2011, 05:54 AM) The reality check comes when you name your price and the lowballers come out from under their rocks, BTDT. The race car market is SOFT. Quit screwing around & put it on evilbay. I doubt anyone here will name a price for you, but evilbay will. Use your purchase price as a reserve & see what happens. |
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| sean_v8_914 |
Mar 29 2011, 08:11 AM
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Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541 |
$13k
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| grantsfo |
Mar 30 2011, 05:14 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
Sold my ...err your old Boxster race for $13K but I get added benefit of being able to drive the car still. Man I should have figured that one out a long time ago! I did get quite a bit for other parts that came with the car or that I removed.
Market is soft but you never know. I'd say put it out there for $15K and see what happens. This is always a fun one to show people if they want to know if a little 2.5 is very fast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSaL5XpVTt8 or for (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) theme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8xE1XNpoGE Its probably one of the few unreinforced 914-6 race cars still out there however. It does have a clean chassis. This post has been edited by grantsfo: Mar 30 2011, 05:15 PM |
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| grantsfo |
Mar 30 2011, 06:04 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(J P Stein @ Mar 22 2011, 03:33 PM) My car was in perfect running condition (and it wasn't built by Grant (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ). Yours is not and it is tough to figure what yours needs & how much that is gonna cost. Parting it out is a viable option. Brit sold off most of the running gear (less the trans) & all the conversion parts...and the stuff went quick. The funds weren't quite what it took to do the change over to Subie power.....but the went a little Ga Ga on that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) JP you're really a class act! Robs car was built by both JD Racing and Rich Bontempi. Rob has also done work on the car since buying it from me. Very well respected names in the business. If you want to trash their reputations on line you go for it my friend. Or is your intent is to hurt Rob and his family financially by bashing his car? Ask numerous drivers of the car about how terrible it was. LOL! ...And your car was far from perfect and had plenty of issues. You forget Brit talks with Brad and I spent time with him in San Diego looking at all the repairs that hadnt been done. Remember all of his excuses at San Diego??? LOL! Guess its easy to forget all the issues when you are getting senile. |
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| EdwardBlume |
Mar 31 2011, 12:00 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California
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Decided to keep it and run it this year...
FWIW - Grant built a great car... which he drove to the limit. I've yet to get close to what he could do with this thing.. I'm going to try and configure it for AX comp and run it... just need tires, springs, and ? All the best! |
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| J P Stein |
Mar 31 2011, 09:26 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
duh
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| PeeGreen 914 |
Mar 31 2011, 11:03 AM
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Just when you think you're done...wait, there is more..lol Group: Members Posts: 10,219 Joined: 21-September 06 From: Seattle, WA... actually Everett Member No.: 6,884 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Mar 31 2011, 08:26 AM) QUOTE(grantsfo @ Mar 30 2011, 05:04 PM) [JP you're really a class act! Robs car was built by both JD Racing and Rich Bontempi. Rob has also done work on the car since buying it from me. Very well respected names in the business. If you want to trash their reputations on line you go for it my friend. Or is your intent is to hurt Rob and his family financially by bashing his car? Ask numerous drivers of the car about how terrible it was. LOL! ...And your car was far from perfect and had plenty of issues. You forget Brit talks with Brad and I spent time with him in San Diego looking at all the repairs that hadnt been done. Remember all of his excuses at San Diego??? LOL! Guess its easy to forget all the issues when you are getting senile. It was in perfect condition when I sold it. I was not involved with the changes made to it prior to the SD event (I didn't think much trick clutch/flywheel idea...he got that from Brad). Typically, you don't know anywhere near what you think you do.....but that has never kept you from running your mouth. You both do your fare share of running your mouth and bashing on each other. However, I find it in very poor taste to do it in a thread where someone was simply trying to get a price on his race car. You old farts who no longer own 914s should take your BS elsewhere if you can't play nice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif) |
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| J P Stein |
Mar 31 2011, 11:48 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
You're right, Jon, I apologize.
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| EdwardBlume |
Mar 31 2011, 02:24 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California
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OK, so what size springs should I run for AXing? Grant told me but I forgot... also, what type of tires. I need heat faster than slicks if possible...
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| PeeGreen 914 |
Mar 31 2011, 02:55 PM
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Just when you think you're done...wait, there is more..lol Group: Members Posts: 10,219 Joined: 21-September 06 From: Seattle, WA... actually Everett Member No.: 6,884 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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It really depends on how the rest of your system is set up. I had 275lb springs on mine and it felt great when paired with everything else I have. I think JP had 275 or 300s on his.
How wide can you go on tires? One race engeneer told me that the Hoosier A6s are about a second to two seconds slower than fresh cantilevers. That seems ridiculous to me but I am in no position to quesiton this guy. I have run RA1s, V710s and A6s and the grip was better with each tire. So if you can fit the cantilevers they will have the best stick. |
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| jjackson |
Mar 31 2011, 06:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 219 Joined: 5-October 10 From: maumelle, arkansas Member No.: 12,246 Region Association: None |
Car looks great!Poor market to sell unless you need the cash or the other car that you mentioned.Good buyers market.The tires you mentioned above are all radials except for the cantilever GY.They all (the radials) require more camber -2 Plus bordering on 3.The cantilevers like closer to one degree.In our testing, our cars like the bias ply tires with less negative camber.Our car is 1900lb and we are lighter sprung than the above mentioned figures.The ability to Match a car to your paticular driving style-and fine tune as courses require-seems more important .I've read a lot of conflicting setups on this forum-Everybody justifies their paticular setup and expense.There is no replacement for seat time.J Jackson
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| Randal |
Mar 31 2011, 07:22 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
QUOTE(RobW @ Mar 31 2011, 01:24 PM) OK, so what size springs should I run for AXing? Grant told me but I forgot... also, what type of tires. I need heat faster than slicks if possible... Real simple reason for using cantilevered tires. You can get take off (used once for qualifying) at half price. I'd ask around Rob and find a couple sets of springs and just try them. Take pictures of the car in different corners and you'll figure it out. I might have some for you to borrow. I'll check. |
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